Hey guys this is Dane, the owner. Didn't know it made it here till Joel called me up.
Theres a lot of questions here and I'll try to hit some. Feel free to call me if you want.
Lot of people talking about noise.. we went through a bunch of material looking for a quiet material and we landed on a really soft in the hand ripstop nylon. Its very high quality (we loaded these with 400 pounds of sand and dropped em 9.5 feet from the air and they never flinched). It's not noisy at all, suprisingly. It's not like the stuff you're familiar with like at, say, Hobby Lobby. If someone doubts me, I'll send em a swatch of scrape material to feel themselves. We hunted with em all last season and never scared a critter because of material noise.
Seems like guys are concerned with getting wrapped up and confused at 4 am in the morning trying to pull this thing out of the pouch. This is a valid concern and one that I can't really defend against except to say that with practice comes familiarity. You can tell which side is up and which side is down by looking at the girth hitches on the hammock (one side of grosgrain is longer than the other, and the back adjusters are located on the top as well - easy to spot). For how comfortable this thing is I would fight this thing for 30 minutes if I had to. I keep telling this to people who ask: when I can sit for 3-4 hours straight and read a book without shifting my weight -- I'll pay double for it. I told Joel when we were iterating on this thing I never had a plan to bring it to market... but it turned into something we love so I figured why not, I'll throw my hat in the ring.
That brings up the next point, cost. We priced out product pretty low actually compared to the market. We've got 3 continuous loops of amsteel (one for the main support to the d-ring, and two that girth hitch onto the hammock). The reason for the two on the hammock is so that it grabs the material and doesn't put any weight on the stitching (we verified this point when load testing). We also have two long pieces of 1/4in amsteel (one for the main support and one for the hammock bridge). I don't know if you guys have ever worked with amsteel but it's rough, slow, and expensive. But its lightweight, sleek, packs great, and is strong. Add on a BIG piece of hammock material, and a very expensive buckle... Anyway, I beg one of you guys to go make one of these by yourself and tell me how many hours it takes you. We have way more labor involved in our product and more than likely more material costs and we still are pricing our product right alongside everyone else.
Yeah, you could make one with a rock climbing hardness and fleece. But this thing allows modular parts like the loop de' loop, modular molle, and underquilts that you see on the website. Also, when we start doing different patterns of hammocks you don't have to buy anything else but the hammock if you've already invested in our system. Not to mention, when you stand up on your platform and the fabric drapes down, it hangs at your waist (we sew it to the pouch) and you can sit right back down without having to pull it back up. If you want to get close to what we've made, it'll require a lot of work and you've still got to get behind a sewing machine. And you don't get removable leg straps and a quick attach buckle.
Someone mentioned putting it away when you are at climbing height. It's not bad actually. I thought it was gonna be the achilles heal but you can slide the pouch over to your hip and tuck it in. If you hate doing that, just drape the bridge around your head/neck and climb on down and put it away at the base of the tree.
Now most importantly.. concerning my pants: my wife found those for me (she is a vintage thrifter). They are true genuine winchester vintage pants and no I'm not selling em!
Theres a lot of questions here and I'll try to hit some. Feel free to call me if you want.
Lot of people talking about noise.. we went through a bunch of material looking for a quiet material and we landed on a really soft in the hand ripstop nylon. Its very high quality (we loaded these with 400 pounds of sand and dropped em 9.5 feet from the air and they never flinched). It's not noisy at all, suprisingly. It's not like the stuff you're familiar with like at, say, Hobby Lobby. If someone doubts me, I'll send em a swatch of scrape material to feel themselves. We hunted with em all last season and never scared a critter because of material noise.
Seems like guys are concerned with getting wrapped up and confused at 4 am in the morning trying to pull this thing out of the pouch. This is a valid concern and one that I can't really defend against except to say that with practice comes familiarity. You can tell which side is up and which side is down by looking at the girth hitches on the hammock (one side of grosgrain is longer than the other, and the back adjusters are located on the top as well - easy to spot). For how comfortable this thing is I would fight this thing for 30 minutes if I had to. I keep telling this to people who ask: when I can sit for 3-4 hours straight and read a book without shifting my weight -- I'll pay double for it. I told Joel when we were iterating on this thing I never had a plan to bring it to market... but it turned into something we love so I figured why not, I'll throw my hat in the ring.
That brings up the next point, cost. We priced out product pretty low actually compared to the market. We've got 3 continuous loops of amsteel (one for the main support to the d-ring, and two that girth hitch onto the hammock). The reason for the two on the hammock is so that it grabs the material and doesn't put any weight on the stitching (we verified this point when load testing). We also have two long pieces of 1/4in amsteel (one for the main support and one for the hammock bridge). I don't know if you guys have ever worked with amsteel but it's rough, slow, and expensive. But its lightweight, sleek, packs great, and is strong. Add on a BIG piece of hammock material, and a very expensive buckle... Anyway, I beg one of you guys to go make one of these by yourself and tell me how many hours it takes you. We have way more labor involved in our product and more than likely more material costs and we still are pricing our product right alongside everyone else.
Yeah, you could make one with a rock climbing hardness and fleece. But this thing allows modular parts like the loop de' loop, modular molle, and underquilts that you see on the website. Also, when we start doing different patterns of hammocks you don't have to buy anything else but the hammock if you've already invested in our system. Not to mention, when you stand up on your platform and the fabric drapes down, it hangs at your waist (we sew it to the pouch) and you can sit right back down without having to pull it back up. If you want to get close to what we've made, it'll require a lot of work and you've still got to get behind a sewing machine. And you don't get removable leg straps and a quick attach buckle.
Someone mentioned putting it away when you are at climbing height. It's not bad actually. I thought it was gonna be the achilles heal but you can slide the pouch over to your hip and tuck it in. If you hate doing that, just drape the bridge around your head/neck and climb on down and put it away at the base of the tree.
Now most importantly.. concerning my pants: my wife found those for me (she is a vintage thrifter). They are true genuine winchester vintage pants and no I'm not selling em!
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