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Adding lineman's loops to Edelrid Huascaran Climbing Harness

I think those slings are the safest, but amsteel would be safe as well. I believe the key here is using your linesmans belt properly so that you don't have a large fall. Here's a good video from @bowhunter15 about it:

 
Not sure how some of you use a lineman's belt but you should NEVER have a large freefall using a lineman's belt. on a telephone pole you might get a severe case of road rash as you slid down the pole. I respect safety but some of you need to keep things within the scope of actual saddle hunting. We are not climbing mountains with 10+ foot falls and needing dynamic or static lines that hold up to that. There is absolutely no way a person using a lineman's belt PROPERLY would ever free fall. In all actuality a lineman's BELT would be far better then any rope as it would have more friction and less rollover on a slide down the pole.
 
DaveT1963 said:
I respect safety but some of you need to keep things within the scope of actual saddle hunting.
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Being that much of the equipment that many of us are using to saddle hunt is DIY equipment I think that is is very important that the limitations of such equipment are discussed. I am not saying that @BCHunter is using his setup in an incorrect way at all, I was just making others aware of the limitations of its use in case they did not know and planned to copy it.
 
Babshaft said:
I think those slings are the safest, but amsteel would be safe as well. I believe the key here is using your linesmans belt properly so that you don't have a large fall. Here's a good video from @bowhunter15 about it:

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Amsteel is made of dyneema.
Babshaft said:
I believe the key here is using your linesmans belt properly so that you don't have a large fall.
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This is spot on.
 
DaveT1963 said:
Not sure how some of you use a lineman's belt but you should NEVER have a large freefall using a lineman's belt. on a telephone pole you might get a severe case of road rash as you slid down the pole. I respect safety but some of you need to keep things within the scope of actual saddle hunting. We are not climbing mountains with 10+ foot falls and needing dynamic or static lines that hold up to that. There is absolutely no way a person using a lineman's belt PROPERLY would ever free fall. In all actuality a lineman's BELT would be far better then any rope as it would have more friction and less rollover on a slide down the pole.
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I agree 100%. It’s tough recommending a diy solution for this; however, because even when used properly there can be a large forced placed on the belt and on the connections. Here’s a gaffing out example:
Obviously that’s to the extreme but when trying to say what’s a good DIY way to add linesman’s loops to a RCH, I’d like to be prepared for the worst case scenario.

Definitely better on the linesman’s belt than rope as far as I care as well.
 
redsquirrel said:
Dyneema is the name of the fiber they are made from. Spectra is another that is similar. These are super strong lightweight materials. Their intended uses are for holding static forces. Under relatively low dynamic forces they can break.
Here is a quick example, there is lots more reading if you google it: http://dmmclimbing.com/Knowledge/September-2013/Slings-at-Anchors

As @BCHunter is using it for positioning it is strong enough and fine. I wanted to make sure everyone knows the limitations of the setup and that if you were to take a real fall on it that it may or may not hold up.

Here is an example of something I would and would not be comfortable using dyneema for.
A tether to hang off of- Yes.
A treestand lifeline- No.
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I agree everyone has to make their own judgments on this, what are your thoughts on doing this with a sewed nylon sling or tying a loop with climbing rated tubular webbing? Either of those options wouldn't add much weight or bulk.
 
BCHunter said:
I agree everyone has to make their own judgments on this, what are your thoughts on doing this with a sewed nylon sling or tying a loop with climbing rated tubular webbing? Either of those options wouldn't add much weight or bulk.
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Justin, I just want you to know I never intended to pick on your technique. I really just wanted to make people aware of the factors going on with what you did. I maintain that it is important to know the limitations of our equipment when we are DIYing something. And you are right that the dyneema/nylon mixed slings would be more forgiving than dyneema alone.

As you have done it, the only thing I would do differently would be to just do 1 girth hitch. For static loads what you have done is fine IMO. The intent of a lineman's belt is to hold one in place for positioning. If one was expecting a fall (of which I have never had one on a lineman's belt, but we have had a few instances posted this year) I think a better option would be a nylon sling, although slings in general are not great under dynamic loads.
 
redsquirrel said:
Justin, I just want you to know I never intended to pick on your technique. I really just wanted to make people aware of the factors going on with what you did. I maintain that it is important to know the limitations of our equipment when we are DIYing something. And you are right that the dyneema/nylon mixed slings would be more forgiving than dyneema alone.

As you have done it, the only thing I would do differently would be to just do 1 girth hitch. For static loads what you have done is fine IMO. The intent of a lineman's belt is to hold one in place for positioning. If one was expecting a fall (of which I have never had one on a lineman's belt, but we have had a few instances posted this year) I think a better option would be a nylon sling, although slings in general are not great under dynamic loads.
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Haha, I'm not feeling picked on, Im the middle of 5 kids that grew up in a tiny house :) I think it's great to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

We need to get New tribe to make us a 9oz harness with lineman's loops built in, I think they would make a killing.

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redsquirrel said:
Justin, I just want you to know I never intended to pick on your technique. I really just wanted to make people aware of the factors going on with what you did. I maintain that it is important to know the limitations of our equipment when we are DIYing something. And you are right that the dyneema/nylon mixed slings would be more forgiving than dyneema alone.

As you have done it, the only thing I would do differently would be to just do 1 girth hitch. For static loads what you have done is fine IMO. The intent of a lineman's belt is to hold one in place for positioning. If one was expecting a fall (of which I have never had one on a lineman's belt, but we have had a few instances posted this year) I think a better option would be a nylon sling, although slings in general are not great under dynamic loads.
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The critique helps us think about safety and even liability. There is always risk in life... including climbing a tree. I am glad for the critique and also for the ideas from @BCHunter . I guess if we can make BC's idea better and safer great.
 
BCHunter said:
Haha, I'm not feeling picked on, Im the middle of 5 kids that grew up in a tiny house :) I think it's great to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

We need to get New tribe to make us a 9oz harness with lineman's loops built in, I think they would make a killing.

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I told them I thought the lineman's belt they had on the evolution was the best on the market. If they made the belt portion smaller and marketed it as a lineman's belt, there would be nothing out there that could compete with t.
 
Babshaft said:
I agree 100%. It’s tough recommending a diy solution for this; however, because even when used properly there can be a large forced placed on the belt and on the connections. Here’s a gaffing out example:
Obviously that’s to the extreme but when trying to say what’s a good DIY way to add linesman’s loops to a RCH, I’d like to be prepared for the worst case scenario.

Definitely better on the linesman’s belt than rope as far as I care as well.
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I hope everyone watched that video as that is more realistic of a lineman's belt fall or even a tether fall then the scenarios often discussed here. Climbing ropes are made for folks that often fall 10 or more feet and then come to a forced stop. that is why they are rated so high. Lineman were using leather STRAPS for decades and they sure as heck were not rated at what are modern equipment is. Doesn't hurt to discuss limitations and failure points of DIY gear, but we also need to keep it in context of what we are doing.
 
DaveT1963 said:
This is a worse case scenario - and I have seen several people fall like this (we teach pole climbing to new AF students here at the base)

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Why is he kicking his left leg so far out?


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Sorry to resurrect an old thread.....It makes sense to put the stitching of the sling where BCHunter has it because it makes tying the girth hitch easier and the extra stiffness there will tend to keep the loop open. However, something about clipping a 'biner there and bending the sling there on the stitching makes me nervous, like bending it there would induce a weak spot.

It doesn't "want" to bend there, so bending it there seems wrong.

Is this all in my imagination? I looked for guidance on google regarding use of stitched slings and bending with a 'biner there and came up empty handed when it comes to this question.

I'm considering this mod and will likely replace the zipties with a single wrap of paracord in the same spot.
 
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