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Diy camo climbing sticks & aiders

The problem is I can't reach the top of my next stick. I suppose I could hang the aider before I attach the stick to the tree, but then I'm slinging it around and risk dropping it. I need to give it a try.
 
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g2outdoors said:
The problem is I can't reach the top of my next stick. I suppose I could hang the aider before I attach the stick to the tree, but then I'm slinging it around and risk dropping it. I need to give it a try.
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I have dropped stuff. No problem if you have a gear grappler

Also if you attach the aider to a loop of stiff rope you can likely flip it over the top of the stick but leave the steps up until you step on the lower step.


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Hey just a though use a nite ize gear tie to just simply hold it in place so it doesn’t drop and its quick to remove
 
LOL G2 I am assuming you didn't watch my video - I don't bend down to remove the aider. it attaches top top steps and I remove it when I step on the bottom steps - its at waist level :)
 
DaveT1963 said:
LOL G2 I am assuming you didn't watch my video - I don't bend down to remove the aider. it attaches top top steps and I remove it when I step on the bottom steps - its at waist level :)
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Ha! I did watch it. Attaching the aider at the top is perfect! But I can't reach the top of my sticks once I set it on the tree. I'm too short!!!

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The real problem here is the G2 is using a multi step aider setting his stick much higher than I do. My one single ater is designed for the way I climb not necessarily the way this will work. Myself I just never was comfortable using multi step aiders
 
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Ontariofarmer said:
Correct me if I am wrong about how deer see? Because I want to learn.
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Here is a little about deer vision, its not that good, about 20/100. This means that, a deer at 20 ft has the same vision (ability to see detail) as a person with 20/20 at 100ft. SO, if you have 20/20 vision and are 100ft (33 yards) from your climbing stick, the amount of detail you can see on your climbing sticks is what a deer can see at 7 yards. So, if you think a deer see's your climbing sticks at 20 yards, they are seeing the same amount of detail you (assuming 20/20 vision) would see on your climbing sticks at 100 yards. They can't see in the detail that we can, they are like a person with pretty bad vision. They are closer to "Legally blind" (20/200) than 20/20

They also are not able to focus on a single object, this works to their advantage. When we look at a object let say at 10 feet strait in front of us, that is the only thing we see in focus. A object 3 feet to the side but still only 10ft from us, is not in focus. With a deer, any object in the plane of 10ft is in focus, again their ability to see detail is pretty crappy.

As for colors, deer do not see the range or shades of colors we do. So having 3 different "shades" of green is pointless, deer see that as one color. Deer can see blue, its like a NEON sign to them. Red is the color they see the worst, kinda explains Fred Bears camo..... Some studies have said deer can see color similar to a red/green blind person, add that to the fact that they can't see detail very well, its like of like a very grey photo that is blurry.

This is where my comment comes from, a deer's ability to see detail is next to legally blind. So for a deer to see your climbing stick, would be very difficult, considering they are not looking for a climbing stick. With their ability focus on a larger plane, they are VERY likely to detect motion. It is WAY more likely that the deer saw a aider moving in the wind or smelled your stick or aider than they saw your stick.

Speaking of motion (this is my thoughts, no science behind this) If its windy, everything in the woods is moving so an aider moving is less likely to be noticed, the same for a stick strap/rope. That said, I like to tuck my rope of my muddy into the stand off on the step, less likely to move in the wind, less like to draw attention to the tree I am in. I do this because it makes me feel better.

If it makes you feel better to paint your sticks, paint them. The deer are more likely to smell them or see the aiders moving in the wind than they are to see the stick on the tree.


Thanks,
Boswell
 
g2 I happen to like your video and your paint job.
 
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DaveT1963 said:
Well dang I guess I wasted a little cash and some time..... could have sworn I actually observed two mature bucks in fact pick up moving aiders in the wind last year. Silly me.
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? Not sure where you’re going with this? I don’t think anyone has said deer can’t pickup the movement of aiders.
 
DaveT1963 said:
get some dang platform crocs :)
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Dave' s present from Santa. And G2's. Should be able to climb an extra foot on three sticks and aiders. I sent your letters to the North Pole requesting these
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Boudreaux said:
Here is a little about deer vision, its not that good, about 20/100. This means that, a deer at 20 ft has the same vision (ability to see detail) as a person with 20/20 at 100ft. SO, if you have 20/20 vision and are 100ft (33 yards) from your climbing stick, the amount of detail you can see on your climbing sticks is what a deer can see at 7 yards. So, if you think a deer see's your climbing sticks at 20 yards, they are seeing the same amount of detail you (assuming 20/20 vision) would see on your climbing sticks at 100 yards. They can't see in the detail that we can, they are like a person with pretty bad vision. They are closer to "Legally blind" (20/200) than 20/20

They also are not able to focus on a single object, this works to their advantage. When we look at a object let say at 10 feet strait in front of us, that is the only thing we see in focus. A object 3 feet to the side but still only 10ft from us, is not in focus. With a deer, any object in the plane of 10ft is in focus, again their ability to see detail is pretty crappy.

As for colors, deer do not see the range or shades of colors we do. So having 3 different "shades" of green is pointless, deer see that as one color. Deer can see blue, its like a NEON sign to them. Red is the color they see the worst, kinda explains Fred Bears camo..... Some studies have said deer can see color similar to a red/green blind person, add that to the fact that they can't see detail very well, its like of like a very grey photo that is blurry.

This is where my comment comes from, a deer's ability to see detail is next to legally blind. So for a deer to see your climbing stick, would be very difficult, considering they are not looking for a climbing stick. With their ability focus on a larger plane, they are VERY likely to detect motion. It is WAY more likely that the deer saw a aider moving in the wind or smelled your stick or aider than they saw your stick.

Speaking of motion (this is my thoughts, no science behind this) If its windy, everything in the woods is moving so an aider moving is less likely to be noticed, the same for a stick strap/rope. That said, I like to tuck my rope of my muddy into the stand off on the step, less likely to move in the wind, less like to draw attention to the tree I am in. I do this because it makes me feel better.

If it makes you feel better to paint your sticks, paint them. The deer are more likely to smell them or see the aiders moving in the wind than they are to see the stick on the tree.


Thanks,
Boswell
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Hard to argue with the science if the research is good - and I think that research is good. . I have a science background and have read some of the same things. They do spot movement though. Where I got busted there were no moving low branches so they still may have spotted the the aiders. Or I maybe they smelled my aiders. I will still only carry one now and move it .. Less bulk.
 
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redsquirrel said:
? Not sure where you’re going with this? I don’t think anyone has said deer can’t pickup the movement of aiders.
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I am in no way saying the video is bad or pointless, I just think the deer seeing the sticks is the least possible option. I will have to paint my DIY sticks when they get done, Probably going to paint them similar to how @g2outdoors did. Its a good quality DIY video for those wanting to paint their sticks.

Thanks,
Boswell
 
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Arguing isn’t communication it is noise. When you guys communicate I learn more than I do from most people on this forum. When you argue to win I hear noise


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DaveT1963 said:
Actually I think that would be my "obilgatory rebuttal post" to your obligatory rebuttal post?

Do I think a mature buck can detect the unnatural movement of a strap hanging on a stick on a windy day.... yep..... I shared my tboughts and I figure most folks are smart enough to weigh it out for themselves.
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This is why I asked you. I knew what you were thinking. And from an outside view, you were just wrong in your assumption. @Boudreaux responded directly to @Ontariofarmer's question. His post did not mention you or have anything to do with you. In fact at the end of his post he agreed with the going assumption that swinging aiders could cause deer to spook.
 
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To answer Ontariofarmer's question, I absolutely believe deer can pick up unnatural movement even in windy conditions. Over the last three years I have had many does and younger bucks see them and even investigate them. I do not think it was due to scent or any other reason except they had slight movement that drew their attention. I can not produce a peer reviewed study but what I can tell you is that last year, I had two perfect set ups with winds and thermals working to my advantage and I had two mature bucks, on separate occasions look directly at my bottom aider that was only slightly moving. They alerted, ears forward and then like mature bucks often do, they altered their course when they sensed something wasn't right. Up unto this point they were walking rather intently towards their bedding area, but once they "saw" the moving aider, they reversed direction. That was enough for me to tweak my system. Will deer pick up the movement every time? Absolutely not. Did it happen twice to often for me - yes it did. So I adjusted my equipment to deal with this and haven't had another deer alert to my aiders since - problem solved.

As to the question about black - very seldom does pure black appear in nature and certainly not very often in a shape like a climbing stick stuck to a tree. So do I believe camo might keep a few animals from noticing it - certainly. Do I think some wont pay it any attention - sure. So the bottom line is if a person thinks black sticks should be camouflaged and it gives them confidence to do it - I say go for it and nice job. You are paying attention to your observations and making slight tweaks to improve your odds - and that is what separated the few from the crowds in most things in life.
 
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