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Kestle vs Guidos Web

Apples and oranges. Not sure how to compare the two.
I could easily see where you need both?


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As a third year owner of my web, and a new owner of the kestrel, I can tell you, they are very different tools. If I am forced to choose between the two - I'd quit hunting. Haha there isn't a right answer there, it truly depends on the person and their hunting needs and preferences.

However, I will give you my very brief opinion based on very brief experience with the Kestrel. (adding in some extrapolation from using my homemade slings) This is based on me being 6'3, 190lbs, 32" waist, larger than average thighs, living and hunting the majority of my time in south Louisiana, with the majority of those hunts in 60*F+ weather, with hikes between .25-1miles each way, taking 1-2 out of state trips to hunt public land with longer hikes, and colder weather. I use SRT or 1stick to get up the tree. I'm leaving out pros/cons in relation to anything outside of GW and Kestrel, so view the info through that lens.

Here are basic pro's and con's of each for ME, and scenarios they'll be more preferable over the other, for ME:

Weight - Kestrel
Packability - Kestrel
Ease of donning - even
Ease of adjusting - even
Ease of climbing - Kestrel
Ease of rappelling down - even
Ease of maneuvering around tree - even
Ease of rotating inside saddle with feet still - Kestrel
Ease of taking a shot over saddle to my right - Kestrel
Physical comfort that results in less fidgeting/movement to adjust - GW
Overall comfort in 60*F plus temps - Kestrel
Overall comfort in below 60*F temps - GW
Noise to the touch/sliding across fabric - GW
Multi purpose use (hanging cameras, presets, etc) - Kestrel

If it's above 60*, I'm not using the web, regardless of any other conditions or circumstances. It's simply too warm for my style of hunting. That being said - the Kestrel will get the majority of my run time.

If I'm hunting in cooler temps, The potential for longer than a 3 hour sit exists, and it's less than half a mile walk in, I'm taking the GW.

If I know I will be hunting all day in cooler temps, and I know my destination regardless of distance, I'm taking the GW.

If I don't know my destination, and the walk is longer than half a mile, I'm taking the Kestrel.



I personally don't believe one tool covers all scenarios and circumstances and hunters. Hell, if I had a place I could leave a climbing stand at the base of a tree with no branches year round, and the tree was in the perfect spot to kill a big deer, I'd buy a climbing stand and do just that. I am just making the point that you shouldn't place too much emphasis on another hunter's experience with details that are subjective.
 
kyler1945 said:
As a third year owner of my web, and a new owner of the kestrel, I can tell you, they are very different tools. If I am forced to choose between the two - I'd quit hunting. Haha there isn't a right answer there, it truly depends on the person and their hunting needs and preferences.

However, I will give you my very brief opinion based on very brief experience with the Kestrel. (adding in some extrapolation from using my homemade slings) This is based on me being 6'3, 190lbs, 32" waist, larger than average thighs, living and hunting the majority of my time in south Louisiana, with the majority of those hunts in 60*F+ weather, with hikes between .25-1miles each way, taking 1-2 out of state trips to hunt public land with longer hikes, and colder weather. I use SRT or 1stick to get up the tree. I'm leaving out pros/cons in relation to anything outside of GW and Kestrel, so view the info through that lens.

Here are basic pro's and con's of each for ME, and scenarios they'll be more preferable over the other, for ME:

Weight - Kestrel
Packability - Kestrel
Ease of donning - even
Ease of adjusting - even
Ease of climbing - Kestrel
Ease of rappelling down - even
Ease of maneuvering around tree - even
Ease of rotating inside saddle with feet still - Kestrel
Ease of taking a shot over saddle to my right - Kestrel
Physical comfort that results in less fidgeting/movement to adjust - GW
Overall comfort in 60*F plus temps - Kestrel
Overall comfort in below 60*F temps - GW
Noise to the touch/sliding across fabric - GW
Multi purpose use (hanging cameras, presets, etc) - Kestrel

If it's above 60*, I'm not using the web, regardless of any other conditions or circumstances. It's simply too warm for my style of hunting. That being said - the Kestrel will get the majority of my run time.

If I'm hunting in cooler temps, The potential for longer than a 3 hour sit exists, and it's less than half a mile walk in, I'm taking the GW.

If I know I will be hunting all day in cooler temps, and I know my destination regardless of distance, I'm taking the GW.

If I don't know my destination, and the walk is longer than half a mile, I'm taking the Kestrel.



I personally don't believe one tool covers all scenarios and circumstances and hunters. Hell, if I had a place I could leave a climbing stand at the base of a tree with no branches year round, and the tree was in the perfect spot to kill a big deer, I'd buy a climbing stand and do just that. I am just making the point that you shouldn't place too much emphasis on another hunter's experience with details that are subjective.
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That's some good information and I agree with everything you are saying for the most part. I hunt Michigan and Ohio and my all day sits are in November so it's nice to have the added warmth from the web. I hike .5 to 1.5 miles in Ohio but get dressed at the tree. The kestrel would be great for early season so I will probably end up buying for next year and see how guys are liking them.
 
It sounds like the logical conclusion is, you need both in order to have the best of all worlds.


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It sounds like you just need a neoprene Trophyline Tree Saddle. :cool:
 
kyler1945 said:
As a third year owner of my web, and a new owner of the kestrel, I can tell you, they are very different tools. If I am forced to choose between the two - I'd quit hunting. Haha there isn't a right answer there, it truly depends on the person and their hunting needs and preferences.

However, I will give you my very brief opinion based on very brief experience with the Kestrel. (adding in some extrapolation from using my homemade slings) This is based on me being 6'3, 190lbs, 32" waist, larger than average thighs, living and hunting the majority of my time in south Louisiana, with the majority of those hunts in 60*F+ weather, with hikes between .25-1miles each way, taking 1-2 out of state trips to hunt public land with longer hikes, and colder weather. I use SRT or 1stick to get up the tree. I'm leaving out pros/cons in relation to anything outside of GW and Kestrel, so view the info through that lens.

Here are basic pro's and con's of each for ME, and scenarios they'll be more preferable over the other, for ME:

Weight - Kestrel
Packability - Kestrel
Ease of donning - even
Ease of adjusting - even
Ease of climbing - Kestrel
Ease of rappelling down - even
Ease of maneuvering around tree - even
Ease of rotating inside saddle with feet still - Kestrel
Ease of taking a shot over saddle to my right - Kestrel
Physical comfort that results in less fidgeting/movement to adjust - GW
Overall comfort in 60*F plus temps - Kestrel
Overall comfort in below 60*F temps - GW
Noise to the touch/sliding across fabric - GW
Multi purpose use (hanging cameras, presets, etc) - Kestrel

If it's above 60*, I'm not using the web, regardless of any other conditions or circumstances. It's simply too warm for my style of hunting. That being said - the Kestrel will get the majority of my run time.

If I'm hunting in cooler temps, The potential for longer than a 3 hour sit exists, and it's less than half a mile walk in, I'm taking the GW.

If I know I will be hunting all day in cooler temps, and I know my destination regardless of distance, I'm taking the GW.

If I don't know my destination, and the walk is longer than half a mile, I'm taking the Kestrel.



I personally don't believe one tool covers all scenarios and circumstances and hunters. Hell, if I had a place I could leave a climbing stand at the base of a tree with no branches year round, and the tree was in the perfect spot to kill a big deer, I'd buy a climbing stand and do just that. I am just making the point that you shouldn't place too much emphasis on another hunter's experience with details that are subjective.
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I agree with Kyler especially about the part that they are tools and while some will make do with one tool for most applications others want a specific tool for certain jobs. Also no matter how good the Kestrel is for me and my needs someone else may find the GW a better fit for them and their needs.

While we can all offer advice and insights based on our experiences and preferences with the different saddle systems only spending time hunting from one will the user be able to decide if it is the right fit for their needs.

Roger,
 
I had a trophy line tree saddle wasn't comfortable so I sold it.I still have a treesuit and a Guido's web the web is very comfortable and the treesuit is lite and somewhat comfortable. I have a Kestrel coming soon and I think it would a great addition. They all have their usage. I like to the versatility of all of them.
 
I just tried my friends GW about two weeks ago and I was pleasantly surprised at how comfortable it was. I think if someone wants to be able to sit and take pressure off their feet it is a good choice. For myself, I prefer to stand, lean, or rest my knees against the tree. We are lucky to have so many choices these days for saddle hunting and one is sure to work for your type of hunting.

Roger,
 
kyler1945 said:
As a third year owner of my web, and a new owner of the kestrel, I can tell you, they are very different tools. If I am forced to choose between the two - I'd quit hunting. Haha there isn't a right answer there, it truly depends on the person and their hunting needs and preferences.

However, I will give you my very brief opinion based on very brief experience with the Kestrel. (adding in some extrapolation from using my homemade slings) This is based on me being 6'3, 190lbs, 32" waist, larger than average thighs, living and hunting the majority of my time in south Louisiana, with the majority of those hunts in 60*F+ weather, with hikes between .25-1miles each way, taking 1-2 out of state trips to hunt public land with longer hikes, and colder weather. I use SRT or 1stick to get up the tree. I'm leaving out pros/cons in relation to anything outside of GW and Kestrel, so view the info through that lens.

Here are basic pro's and con's of each for ME, and scenarios they'll be more preferable over the other, for ME:

Weight - Kestrel
Packability - Kestrel
Ease of donning - even
Ease of adjusting - even
Ease of climbing - Kestrel
Ease of rappelling down - even
Ease of maneuvering around tree - even
Ease of rotating inside saddle with feet still - Kestrel
Ease of taking a shot over saddle to my right - Kestrel
Physical comfort that results in less fidgeting/movement to adjust - GW
Overall comfort in 60*F plus temps - Kestrel
Overall comfort in below 60*F temps - GW
Noise to the touch/sliding across fabric - GW
Multi purpose use (hanging cameras, presets, etc) - Kestrel

If it's above 60*, I'm not using the web, regardless of any other conditions or circumstances. It's simply too warm for my style of hunting. That being said - the Kestrel will get the majority of my run time.

If I'm hunting in cooler temps, The potential for longer than a 3 hour sit exists, and it's less than half a mile walk in, I'm taking the GW.

If I know I will be hunting all day in cooler temps, and I know my destination regardless of distance, I'm taking the GW.

If I don't know my destination, and the walk is longer than half a mile, I'm taking the Kestrel.



I personally don't believe one tool covers all scenarios and circumstances and hunters. Hell, if I had a place I could leave a climbing stand at the base of a tree with no branches year round, and the tree was in the perfect spot to kill a big deer, I'd buy a climbing stand and do just that. I am just making the point that you shouldn't place too much emphasis on another hunter's experience with details that are subjective.
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I do not know how you guys hunt in LA , my hats off to you. Im in CT and we get about two weeks of hot weather hunting and then it cools off. Its been 70 in the early am here with 90% humidity and its all I can take with the bugs.I will not hunt my further 1 mile + spots till it cools off. I do not think I would take to the water the way I do in the swamps either if we had huge teeth laden critters swimming around but thats another topic lol


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ADP2413 said:
I do not know how you guys hunt in LA , my hats off to you. Im in CT and we get about two weeks of hot weather hunting and then it cools off. Its been 70 in the early am here with 90% humidity and its all I can take with the bugs.I will not hunt my further 1 mile + spots till it cools off. I do not think I would take to the water the way I do in the swamps either if we had huge teeth laden critters swimming around but thats another topic lol


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ADP2413 some of those areas in CT have awesome hunting, especially, if you can get permission on private property! As for hunting the colder the better for me and when the temps are above 70 degrees I'd rather be fishing than hunting any day of the week.

Roger,
 
I can't say I love hunting in the heat, but it doesn't stop me. September and October are the only months that I can get out hunting after work, so I need to put my time in a tree when it is available. Before we had the baby I used to sit in a tree almost every day from the day the season opened until day light savings kicked in.
 
Stykbow1 said:
ADP2413 some of those areas in CT have awesome hunting, especially, if you can get permission on private property! As for hunting the colder the better for me and when the temps are above 70 degrees I'd rather be fishing than hunting any day of the week.

Roger,
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You are in LA soooo you know blue crabbing , I am addicted to blue crabbing out of my canoes... a lot of people will not understand here but to see a male blue crab with a 7+ " shell coming up out of the brackish water here in CT gets my heart going every bit the same as a shooter buck in the fall and the eating is amazing !


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ADP2413 said:
You are in LA soooo you know blue crabbing , I am addicted to blue crabbing out of my canoes... a lot of people will not understand here but to see a male blue crab with a 7+ " shell coming up out of the brackish water here in CT gets my heart going every bit the same as a shooter buck in the fall and the eating is amazing !


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I love crabbing too! I am the only person I know who crabs out of a kayak!
 
redsquirrel said:
I love crabbing too! I am the only person I know who crabs out of a kayak!
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Thats awesome ! OMG , it takes skill in kayak to get them out of the net , measure the shell ( they have size restrictions here in CT ) and into a container without getting bit. Those blue and white minions have a bad attitude and especially if they are mating !


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ADP2413 said:
Thats awesome ! OMG , it takes skill in kayak to get them out of the net , measure the shell ( they have size restrictions here in CT ) and into a container without getting bit. Those blue and white minions have a bad attitude and especially if they are mating !


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Lol! All of the above is true! I've actually only gotten pinched once, but my reaction sent that crab about 100 yards through the air across the bay!
 
I believe it ! Lol they bite hard ! Im surprised you got it off you , I use a blue print ruler to measure them ( it works well for pinning them down and measuring them at the same time lol ) and when they bite it good I have to sometimes break a claw to get them off of it.


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ADP2413 said:
I believe it ! Lol they bite hard ! Im surprised you got it off you , I use a blue print ruler to measure them ( it works well for pinning them down and measuring them at the same time lol ) and when they bite it good I have to sometimes break a claw to get them off of it.


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The force of my reaction sent him flying. I have the size marked with duct tape on the end of my net. Scoop, take him out, flip net to measure.
 
Mike K said:
The wife and I were crabbing in the kayaks this summer. It was fun but I kept getting sidetracked with fluke fishing.
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I haven't had much luck fluke fishing in the kayak. Mostly because whenever I would get in the channels there would be too much boat traffic. Crabbing has been a much safer kayak activity for me :D
 
redsquirrel said:
I haven't had much luck fluke fishing in the kayak. Mostly because whenever I would get in the channels there would be too much boat traffic. Crabbing has been a much safer kayak activity for me :D
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I know what you mean, you really have to be alert with your head on a swivel at times. But it sure is fun and rewarding when it all comes together and you catch a few for dinner.
 
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