Shooting does with fawns and or shooting fawns?

[Gerg]

Had a doe in one area throw twin buck fawns last year, and it looks like at least one of her twins this year is a buck too. If both fawns this year are bucks, I'll take her the first chance I get so both bucks don't get run off.


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That's my kind of QDM brother.

 

[IkemanTX]

That's my kind of QDM brother.

It helps that she is old as heck. She is easy to recognize too, so that's a plus.


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[Gerg]

We are infested here. 3 antlerless PER DAY and 2 antlered per season

It's cruel not take them, the carrying capacity will collapse as well as spiking coyote populations. Fill the freezers.

 

[huck72412]

Had a doe in one area throw twin buck fawns last year, and it looks like at least one of her twins this year is a buck too. If both fawns this year are bucks, I'll take her the first chance I get so both bucks don't get run off.


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If she's spitting out twin bucks, she gets a free pass every time in my woods!

 

[IkemanTX]

If she's spitting out twin bucks, she gets a free pass every time in my woods!

Nope. She kicks those boys way out of her range. You won't see them again once she does.


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[Jefferson10940]

Fawns get a pass and a momma w fawns also gets a pass. I have no problem filling the freezer with a die, just try to take one without fawns. With that said to each his own, do what you like. I definitely give does a pass when I hike in deep. Only so that for 1 reason! Antler


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[huck72412]

Nope. She kicks those boys way out of her range. You won't see them again once she does.


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I want her in the herd as long as possible if she is prone to having male offspring.

 

[redsquirrel]

Earn a buck starts Saturday and then on Monday I can start in my management hunt. I no longer have the time to be selective on what does I shoot. I'm just hoping they loose their spots before I have to shoot them.

 

[EricS]

I don't like to shoot does with spotted fawns. My main criteria for does is if it's close and there is still plenty of light I'll shoot if I want to. If I'm in a permanent stand on a food plot and a doe stays in the edge of the woods studying the stand when she shouldn't smell me or have any reason to be suspicious she's going down.

 

[bubba g]

Haven't harvested my first deer yet... I do apply for a doe tag every year... don't think I'd kill a fawn. I'll definitely take a doe if I am lucky enough to get a shot on one... would prefer to get mature bucks though
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[huck72412]

Haven't harvested my first deer yet... I do apply for a doe tag every year... don't think I'd kill a fawn. I'll definitely take a doe if I am lucky enough to get a shot on one... would prefer to get mature bucks though
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Keep at it. Your chance will come. Wish you luck!!!

 

[bubba g]

Keep at it. Your chance will come. Wish you luck!!!

Thanks... this is my 3rd year hunting... learned a lot over the past two years...

 

[MCDM]

If she's spitting out twin bucks, she gets a free pass every time in my woods!

Lol x2!!! If you want to capture her and ship her my way I'd be happy to have more bucks!!! Then I'll be saddle rich!!

 

[IkemanTX]

If she's spitting out twin bucks, she gets a free pass every time in my woods!

I want her in the herd as long as possible if she is prone to having male offspring.

Lol x2!!! If you want to capture her and ship her my way I'd be happy to have more bucks!!! Then I'll be saddle rich!!

Some data from a study in Virginia... sometimes killing momma is what let's you have a shot at the buck. If she is an older doe, have no fear in shooting her. It often is the best QDM decision.

"Surprisingly, it is often the buck’s mother who forces the buck to disperse! A telemetry study done by Drs. Stefan Holzenbein and Larry Marchinton in Virginia shed new light on this phenomenon. Radio collars were placed on 34 buck fawns to track their movements and death rates for two years. The mothers of 15 fawns were also caught and released 20 miles away. This was done to orphan 15 of the 34 bucks fawns (to simulate harvesting of does). The remaining 19 buck fawns were left with their mothers.
The scientists discovered that 9 percent of the orphaned bucks dispersed to new areas. However, over 85 percent of bucks left with their mothers dispersed. Most of this movement happened during either the summer fawning season or later that fall during the rut. The scientists concluded the mothers themselves forced these bucks to disperse! They suggested this occurred to reduce inbreeding.

The scientists also found that orphaned bucks lived longer. Only 55 percent of orphaned bucks died during the study while over 90 percent of bucks left when their mothers died. Starvation or predators caused most deaths.

The scientists felt orphaned bucks lived longer because they were able to stay home. Non-orphaned bucks were forced into unfamiliar areas (usually two to six miles away) where more deaths took place. These bucks did not know the escape routes and best places to find food and as a result, mortality was higher."


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[Gerg]

Some data from a study in Virginia... sometimes killing momma is what let's you have a shot at the buck. If she is an older doe, have no fear in shooting her. It often is the best QDM decision.

"Surprisingly, it is often the buck’s mother who forces the buck to disperse! A telemetry study done by Drs. Stefan Holzenbein and Larry Marchinton in Virginia shed new light on this phenomenon. Radio collars were placed on 34 buck fawns to track their movements and death rates for two years. The mothers of 15 fawns were also caught and released 20 miles away. This was done to orphan 15 of the 34 bucks fawns (to simulate harvesting of does). The remaining 19 buck fawns were left with their mothers.
The scientists discovered that 9 percent of the orphaned bucks dispersed to new areas. However, over 85 percent of bucks left with their mothers dispersed. Most of this movement happened during either the summer fawning season or later that fall during the rut. The scientists concluded the mothers themselves forced these bucks to disperse! They suggested this occurred to reduce inbreeding.

The scientists also found that orphaned bucks lived longer. Only 55 percent of orphaned bucks died during the study while over 90 percent of bucks left when their mothers died. Starvation or predators caused most deaths.

The scientists felt orphaned bucks lived longer because they were able to stay home. Non-orphaned bucks were forced into unfamiliar areas (usually two to six miles away) where more deaths took place. These bucks did not know the escape routes and best places to find food and as a result, mortality was higher."


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Kind of like the two legged species... interesting stuff!

 

[MCDM]

Some data from a study in Virginia... sometimes killing momma is what let's you have a shot at the buck. If she is an older doe, have no fear in shooting her. It often is the best QDM decision.

"Surprisingly, it is often the buck’s mother who forces the buck to disperse! A telemetry study done by Drs. Stefan Holzenbein and Larry Marchinton in Virginia shed new light on this phenomenon. Radio collars were placed on 34 buck fawns to track their movements and death rates for two years. The mothers of 15 fawns were also caught and released 20 miles away. This was done to orphan 15 of the 34 bucks fawns (to simulate harvesting of does). The remaining 19 buck fawns were left with their mothers.
The scientists discovered that 9 percent of the orphaned bucks dispersed to new areas. However, over 85 percent of bucks left with their mothers dispersed. Most of this movement happened during either the summer fawning season or later that fall during the rut. The scientists concluded the mothers themselves forced these bucks to disperse! They suggested this occurred to reduce inbreeding.

The scientists also found that orphaned bucks lived longer. Only 55 percent of orphaned bucks died during the study while over 90 percent of bucks left when their mothers died. Starvation or predators caused most deaths.

The scientists felt orphaned bucks lived longer because they were able to stay home. Non-orphaned bucks were forced into unfamiliar areas (usually two to six miles away) where more deaths took place. These bucks did not know the escape routes and best places to find food and as a result, mortality was higher."


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Interesting stuff!!

 

[redsquirrel]

Some data from a study in Virginia... sometimes killing momma is what let's you have a shot at the buck. If she is an older doe, have no fear in shooting her. It often is the best QDM decision.

"Surprisingly, it is often the buck’s mother who forces the buck to disperse! A telemetry study done by Drs. Stefan Holzenbein and Larry Marchinton in Virginia shed new light on this phenomenon. Radio collars were placed on 34 buck fawns to track their movements and death rates for two years. The mothers of 15 fawns were also caught and released 20 miles away. This was done to orphan 15 of the 34 bucks fawns (to simulate harvesting of does). The remaining 19 buck fawns were left with their mothers.
The scientists discovered that 9 percent of the orphaned bucks dispersed to new areas. However, over 85 percent of bucks left with their mothers dispersed. Most of this movement happened during either the summer fawning season or later that fall during the rut. The scientists concluded the mothers themselves forced these bucks to disperse! They suggested this occurred to reduce inbreeding.

The scientists also found that orphaned bucks lived longer. Only 55 percent of orphaned bucks died during the study while over 90 percent of bucks left when their mothers died. Starvation or predators caused most deaths.

The scientists felt orphaned bucks lived longer because they were able to stay home. Non-orphaned bucks were forced into unfamiliar areas (usually two to six miles away) where more deaths took place. These bucks did not know the escape routes and best places to find food and as a result, mortality was higher."


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That is definitely nature's way of spreading out the genes. Honestly I wouldn't worry too much about it, if she is running those bucks off of one piece, another doe is running her buck fawns off of somewhere else and they may show up.

 

[IkemanTX]

Ya, but the mortality rates are horrible for dispersed young bucks.


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