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SRT Guys?

This is the friction cord I've been using:
http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=20&item=2053

I first tried the RADS setup and hated it and somehow ended up with this system. I am a wildlife biology grad student at UMass Amherst and the department has an awesome arborist program with tree climbing etc. They teach everything with knots etc and seem to frown upon any type of mechanical device (especially those Petzel ascenders) but they gave me some good pointers and I made a few phone calls to treestuff to get their recommendations. Lets just say I may have taken a short hiatus from my graduate studies to figure this out:). I have one of the original tree saddles so I didn't have to buy the saddle when I purchased these items. I remember going on their website and all that was left were mens small saddles.... I thought for sure they were gone and out of business and then one day a saddle showed up in the mail. I've been buying the sterling static line rope shorts for $20 so that helped reduce the overall initial price. My priorities may be a bit backwards from most as I spent a little bit of money on the climbing gear but shoot a $125 used Darton bow. Last year I also added Ernie's platform to the setup. Before that had been using a muddy stick with some padding and a few cranfords but kept on getting sore feet that I felt was making me move around a little too much in the tree. I've got 1 young one and 2 more on the way so I figured the helmet wasn't a bad idea (Will have 3 boys under 3!). I actually really like the helmet with the way my head lamp clips onto it.
 
Alright I may have found a real disadvantage to SRT hoping you guys can help straighten me out.

I couldn't get my rope down, for the life of me. I don't use a friction saver and maybe I should just didn't seem worthwhile, more weight more money. This happened once before because it was over under my delta screw. I had fixed that before rappelling down The first time. The tree was kind of soft with a lot of moss it was a huge maple.

Well at least I got a little work out in lol. It's a 60' rope, I was pretty high.
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donnieballgame said:
Awesome thanks! Will give it a try in 15 minutes when things calm down and I can get down, although its about to dump!

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Worked great! Although the tree I was in this evening was a straight smooth oak, so I will have to keep trying it, thanks again!

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Whispers Death said:
I don't understand.......why would you pull a figure eight knot over the branch? Pull the plain end over the limb and around the tree. Tie your paracord pull down/haul rope to your fig eight for retrieval. When the bare end comes down, thread it through the fig eight and pull the cinch up taking the pull down rope up with it.

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This video and your other posts in the climbing rope for tree access thread are the reason I started using SRT for hunting. Thank you for taking the time to explain it.
 
Alright... so what I think I need to switch to SRT....

-40’ static climbing rope

-zing it line and throw bag

-lots of paracord to prep trees

-Saddle with bridge (have one, but plan to get the Kestrel)

-2 Ropeman1’s for ascending (already own)

-stirrups to attach to bottom Ropeman1

-Secondary tether, in case cinch height is too high above hunting height.

-Rappelling device (Petzl Piranha)

-Screw link

-Carabiners for Ropeman1’s

I know I have to be missing something...


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-40’ static climbing rope

I use 60' of 9mm Sterling HTP, solid rope, not the best color but I got a good deal from TreeStuff.com, I had them sew on one eye and added a delta screw

-zing it line and throw bag

YES, I got the 16oz bag and wish I got the 12oz, although some folks have used a sling shot and fishing weights, I haven't tried this yet, but will try it sometime.

-lots of paracord to prep trees

That's what I've been doing, bought a1000' spool for about 50 on amazon, some folks on here have found even smaller cord 2 or 3mm and got a ton for real cheap, I like the 550 because I use it to pull up my gear and anything smaller is just annoying to me, plus I already have it.

-Saddle with bridge (have one, but plan to get the Kestrel)

That should work, I use a rock climbing harness and sit drag, rope for the bridge, I don't have an adjustable one, well it is I just have to untie and retie the knots.

-2 Ropeman1’s for ascending (already own)

I bought some hand ascenders and they are easier but a little noiser, I only have 2 ropemans, and have used one to climb with, but I had to pull it off of my linemans belt so I've been using the hand ascender.

-stirrups to attach to bottom Ropeman1

I got a daisy chain for this.

-Secondary tether, in case cinch height is too high above hunting height.

Aider would also do the trick, but I carry a tether and linemans belt that can be used as a tether if I need to in a pinch.

-Rappelling device (Petzl Piranha)

What system are you gonna try, RADS? If so you will need either a Lifeguard or a Petzel Grigri, at least thats what I tired, there are other devices out there, but it seems like most use those 2, I use the grigri, it's a little noisier and heavier but it has a much smoother action and I felt much more comfortable rappeling with it. There is also a Grigri 2, but I don't think it works on smaller rope, I can't remember there was a reason I didn't get it, maybe cost?

-Screw link

-Carabiners for Ropeman1’s

I got a pulley but don't use it because it was just too noisy, I just put the rope back up through the ascender carabiner.

Oh, you will need a foot loop, I made one with some accessory cord, at least if you are doing RADS.

Here's a good write up on RADS or Yo-Yo
https://www.newtribe.com/documents/tip4.htm
 
donnieballgame said:
-40’ static climbing rope

I use 60' of 9mm Sterling HTP, solid rope, not the best color but I got a good deal from TreeStuff.com, I had them sew on one eye and added a delta screw

-zing it line and throw bag

YES, I got the 16oz bag and wish I got the 12oz, although some folks have used a sling shot and fishing weights, I haven't tried this yet, but will try it sometime.

-lots of paracord to prep trees

That's what I've been doing, bought a1000' spool for about 50 on amazon, some folks on here have found even smaller cord 2 or 3mm and got a ton for real cheap, I like the 550 because I use it to pull up my gear and anything smaller is just annoying to me, plus I already have it.

-Saddle with bridge (have one, but plan to get the Kestrel)

That should work, I use a rock climbing harness and sit drag, rope for the bridge, I don't have an adjustable one, well it is I just have to untie and retie the knots.

-2 Ropeman1’s for ascending (already own)

I bought some hand ascenders and they are easier but a little noiser, I only have 2 ropemans, and have used one to climb with, but I had to pull it off of my linemans belt so I've been using the hand ascender.

-stirrups to attach to bottom Ropeman1

I got a daisy chain for this.

-Secondary tether, in case cinch height is too high above hunting height.

Aider would also do the trick, but I carry a tether and linemans belt that can be used as a tether if I need to in a pinch.

-Rappelling device (Petzl Piranha)

What system are you gonna try, RADS? If so you will need either a Lifeguard or a Petzel Grigri, at least thats what I tired, there are other devices out there, but it seems like most use those 2, I use the grigri, it's a little noisier and heavier but it has a much smoother action and I felt much more comfortable rappeling with it. There is also a Grigri 2, but I don't think it works on smaller rope, I can't remember there was a reason I didn't get it, maybe cost?

-Screw link

-Carabiners for Ropeman1’s

I got a pulley but don't use it because it was just too noisy, I just put the rope back up through the ascender carabiner.

Oh, you will need a foot loop, I made one with some accessory cord, at least if you are doing RADS.

Here's a good write up on RADS or Yo-Yo
https://www.newtribe.com/documents/tip4.htm
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I was thinking of going as simple as possible. I had kind of thought of a ropeman on top attached to my saddle/harness, and a ropeman on bottom attached to a foot loop/stirrups. I would hang from the top ropeman or from the alternate tether for the hunt. Install the Petzl Piranha for the rappel down...


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IkemanTX said:
I was thinking of going as simple as possible. I had kind of thought of a ropeman on top attached to my saddle/harness, and a ropeman on bottom attached to a foot loop/stirrups. I would hang from the top ropeman or from the alternate tether for the hunt. Install the Petzl Piranha for the rappel down...


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Why not use a grigri to ascend and descend without ever having to disconnect from your rope? Way faster, more efficient and easier to climb which means less sweating.

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TheTracker said:
Why not use a grigri to ascend and descend without ever having to disconnect from your rope? Way faster, more efficient and easier to climb which means less sweating.

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Well, I already have the Ropeman1’s, the Petzl Piranha runs about $60-65 cheaper than the grigri2 or grigri+, and the grigri seems to have a much steeper learning curve to use safely than a friction based device like the Piranha. (Grigris being primarily designed as belay devices)

Also, the rads system mentioned above looks pretty complicated and involving more parts than I want to buy/carry.

I was thinking about setting it up similar to this video, though I would also try it with the ropemans attached opposite to what he does. (Stirrups on bottom ropeman, harness on top)



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IkemanTX said:
Well, I already have the Ropeman1’s, the Petzl Piranha runs about $60-65 cheaper than the grigri2 or grigri+, and the grigri seems to have a much steeper learning curve to use safely than a friction based device like the Piranha. (Grigris being primarily designed as belay devices)

Also, the rads system mentioned above looks pretty complicated and involving more parts than I want to buy/carry.

I was thinking about setting it up similar to this video, though I would also try it with the ropemans attached opposite to what he does. (Stirrups on bottom ropeman, harness on top)



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You can get a grigri or similar descender for around 60 bucks if you shop around. the pirahnas going price is around 30,rads is much much simpler then it seems. That video of the guy climbing looks painfully slow and ineffiecient. The pirahna/ figure 8s should be backed up with a hitch in case of the rope slipping out of youre hand youre not going to freefall.You can use a ropeman as your hand hold and as a ascender for your foot loop. then use a descender and you'll fly up the rope. I can go 30 feet up in less then a minute using rads with very little effort! Another problem i see with that video is he's using the lower ropeman as a backup fall arrest which they were not designed for either!

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I agree. All you need is the grigri 2 instead of the piranha and you can do rads
 
Alright, I found this for another thread, on web strength but I've been thinking about this for a while. I often go in blind to a spot, or a place where I've scouted but don't have an SRT setup, or there aren't any good trees for SRT in the spot that I want to be in. I was thinking about making my own Anchor in the tree with webbing and a locking carabiner. I was thinking the wrap 2 or wrap 3. What do you guys think?

http://www.cmcrescue.com/one-inch-webbing-anchors-minimum-breaking-strength/
 
Like this, extra webbing so I wrapped 4 and pulled 2, seemed like it would be really hard to pull down the tree.
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