Don't use Rage Chisel Points with twisted tip!!

[ArcherAdam]

I like the chisel tip. Never a problem here. Probably my favorite mechanical that is not pure steel.

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[Buckhole75]

Nutterbuster is right Stay off the shoulder with mechanicals and you will have good success I have shot Simmons heads for years and I have got some Grimreapers to play with this year Have killed deer with mechanicals of all sorts out of curiosity and gonna play with these for the same reason

 

[Gator]

I love chisel tips! See the contest submission thread for my example from this year.

 

[Nutterbuster]

Just like all this saddle gear we cycle through.

Very very sneaky, sir.

 

[SaddleUpPartner!]

NAP Spitfire cut on contact, best mechanical out there. The last two I shot with them were total pass throughs, very strong blood trails as well.

 

[Jtaylor]

Rage chisel tips are surefire garden hose blood trail killers with a well placed shot.

 

[Garrymny]

Here’s yet another example of rage chisel tips sucking...

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Broke farside humerus on the doe, and still mostly passed through, fell in sight, 40
Yards.

Buck ran 60.

Used to use spitfire, now rages, have a handful of chisels and have some trypans to try this year. Been lucky enough to only lose a couple of deer, no fault of the head...



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Rage chisel tips are surefire garden hose blood trail killers with a well placed shot.

They make several styles of Chisel Tips. I am only talking about the Chisel tip that has a very pronounced TWIST built in. The twist will cause the head to turn on impact. My theory is that is what killed penetration. My rages with the razor blade tip have always left a 2 inch gaping hole. No the Chisel tip with the twist though. I will never use a head that has a design that will make the head/arrow twist on impact. As you can envision, as the head twists, a great deal of friction will be created against the sides of the now extended blades.

 

[Garrymny]

Personally I'm thinking your shot(s) were such that you only had a single lung shot.

I tend to second @Nutterbuster post, I've shot mechanicals, I'm using a fixed blade head at this time. I've had absolutely incredible blood trails with both, as well as pretty sparse with both. Every deer is different, but, if you are outside of the boiler room with either, you are in for some tough sledding. I prefer a fixed blade solely due to the inherent energy loss of a mechanical can really rob you of penetration.

That's what I said when I gutted the deer. None of the three arrows penetrated far enough to get both lungs!

 

[Garrymny]

Rage chisel tip 2 bladed about 2 weeks ago from a Hickory Creek crossbow. Went about 30 yards.

Please show a picture of the Chisel tip. I want to see if it the same Chisel tip I am talking about.

 

[shwacker]

This is what killed the two I posted. But for sure shoot what you’re comfortable with, my point is, I don’t think it’s the head that’s the problem


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[Nutterbuster]

They make several styles of Chisel Tips. I am only talking about the Chisel tip that has a very pronounced TWIST built in. The twist will cause the head to turn on impact. My theory is that is what killed penetration. My rages with the razor blade tip have always left a 2 inch gaping hole. No the Chisel tip with the twist though. I will never use a head that has a design that will make the head/arrow twist on impact. As you can envision, as the head twists, a great deal of friction will be created against the sides of the now extended blades.

I wanna preface this by saying I'm not trying to start anything. You shared an experience, and I appreciate that.

But, I don't think the twist on the tip caused the issue. I really don't. Think about all the guys shooting helical fletchings. Those arrows spin like tops. It's really debatable that the twisted tip could even turn the arrow in my mind, but if it did, (big if) I don't think it would matter.

You put one arrow in a shoulder, and two in the chest. That's where the bones are. Bone stopped penetration. That's what it's made to do. Bucks are made to survive pointy things coming at their front. Otherwise, they'd all kill each other during the rut. Bone protects the squishy bits. Don't shoot bone. With anything.

Thay being said, if you've lost confidence in the head, don't shoot it. I sold a perfectly good .243 over one bad hunt, so I get it.

 

[Gator]

What pound bow are you shooting? Expandables are horrible for low poundage bows. My 70lb bow will blow a 2 blade Rage through without any issues. If I hit the offside shoulder, I'm going to have a broken arrow though.

 

[Jtaylor]

I'm not here to start anything either but I trust Rage and their products to turn a well placed shot into a short tracking job and a DEAD deer. There are so many variables in this situation to make a statement that these broadheads are basically junk. Poundage of bow, properly tuned arrow, weight of arrow, correct shot placement, I can go on and on. To make a statement not to use these broadheads is your own opinion and you're entitled to that. To spread mis-information to possible new hunters while this sport is already declining is another issue in itself.

 

[robertreed711]

I shoot fixed heads because they have worked for me and I have confidence in them, never even tried to hunt with mechanical heads for that reason but I know plenty of people who have with success, I think either will do what they are supposed to if you put them in the right spot.

Something noteworthy though - I have a co-worker with a tracking dog and he detests mechanical heads. He swears that 85-90% of the calls he gets are for animals shot with a mechanical heads. I wonder if that is indicative of the heads themselves or indicative of the number of people using mechanical heads vs fixed heads.

 

[Gator]

Something noteworthy though - I have a co-worker with a tracking dog and he detests mechanical heads. He swears that 85-90% of the calls he gets are for animals shot with a mechanical heads. I wonder if that is indicative of the heads themselves or indicative of the number of people using mechanical heads vs fixed heads.

I hear stuff like this a lot and I get it but its completely backwards from my personal experience. Now with that said, maybe I just choose better shots these days or maybe I'm a better shot than I used to be or maybe todays cut on contact BHs are better than they used to be or ....

 

[robertreed711]

I hear stuff like this a lot and I get it but its completely backwards from my personal experience. Now with that said, maybe I just choose better shots these days or maybe I'm a better shot than I used to be or maybe todays cut on contact BHs are better than they used to be or ....

My point is that if 80% of hunters are using mechanicals than it would make sense that 80% of the calls are for animals shot with mechanicals. Obviously this is speculation but based on all the advertising out there for mechanical heads I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Gator]

My point is that if 80% of hunters are using mechanicals than it would make sense that 80% of the calls are for animals shot with mechanicals. Obviously this is speculation but based on all the advertising out there for mechanical heads I wouldn't be surprised.

Yeah I get that but I also hear it alot without the possible ratio explanation that you give. Sorry, I wasn't trying to discredit that theory as its the best I've heard.

 

[mattsteg]

My point is that if 80% of hunters are using mechanicals than it would make sense that 80% of the calls are for animals shot with mechanicals. Obviously this is speculation but based on all the advertising out there for mechanical heads I wouldn't be surprised.

It could be a compounding issue - the guys that think they can shoot farther, faster, etc. shoot mechs. The guys that shoot fixed heads may tend to be more conservative in their total approach.

 

[DelaWhere_Arrow]

I used to shoot Killzone Cut-on-Contact, left gigantic slits. I now shoot Montec fixed, still cut-on-contact. Plows through meat and most bone. Either way, I am a believer in the cut-on-contact design, especially with my short draw and under-60 pull weight. I want lacerative trauma from start to finish, personally.

 

[mattsteg]

What pound bow are you shooting? Expandables are horrible for low poundage bows. My 70lb bow will blow a 2 blade Rage through without any issues. If I hit the offside shoulder, I'm going to have a broken arrow though.

It'd be nice/useful if we could expand that discussion to momentum or KE values rather than just poundage. You've got guys from say 27-31 in draw, bows ranging from say 300ibo to 350 ibo.