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Who Did Not Snort the Fairy Dust? And Why?

I'm glad everybody has that deer figured out after watching the clip a few times. ;)
I think what most have figured out about that shot was a light arrow and expandable broadhead can result in a outcome like that. Some of us old timers who have been hunting with heavy stuff for as many years as you are old probably took shots at angles like that and never had that problem but hey I know you millennials know everything.
 
I think what most have figured out about that shot was a light arrow and expandable broadhead can result in a outcome like that. Some of us old timers who have been hunting with heavy stuff for as many years as you are old probably took shots at angles like that and never had that problem but hey I know you millennials know everything.
So you're 100% sure he waa using a light arrow and an expandable?

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I see the broadhead in the video. I also remember reading that he keeps two broadheads on hand, shoots 80lbs, and shoots a heavy arrow.

I doubt a rear-deploying broadhead cost him a buck. It was a poor angle on a very alert deer. I put more stock in that than on whatever piece of steel was on the end of the arrow.

But hey...#hEAvyArrOws! Nobody shooting them will have a sad story to tell this year on the contest page.
 
Two years ago I shot a small eight pointer at eight yards after he finished freshening up a scrape. I was in a 17' ladder stand. He was moving from my left to my right. Shot placement was right in the boiler room and upon impact the arrow entered and went in only about 12 to 14 inches. The remaining part of the shaft was sticking out his right side. I was mortified that I only got that level of penetration at 8 yards. As he bucked and took off I saw the arrow slap against a small pine as he disappeared. He only went 40 yards and died near his bed but I was unimpressed with my arrow performance. Yes, there was a lot of blood and the track job was relatively easy but I thought, If one of these nice black bears we've been having more and more sightings of around here came by my stand, I would hesitate to take a shot with that setup. I was using my .400 spine GT Hunter XT shafts, 100 grain NAP Spitfires. That bow's peak weight was set at 60lbs. The year after, I went back to using aluminum shafts to gain arrow weight and after watching RF and actually reading some posts on here and watching most of the Ashby stuff from the 2013 P&Y Annual meeting, I was convinced there was a better way that also placed the ethical aspects of hunting at the very top of the list. We don't see or care about it much but look around you nowadays. Most people aren't hunting. Plenty of people think their dogs and cats should have the same rights as humans. RF, THP, Ashby and many others are working on taking the paradigm from, "It shoots and tunes great but I can't say with full confidence that my setup will account for anything that may happen upon release" to (and its all relative to some extent here folks) "It shoots and tunes great and I know my arrows will ethically harvest that game animal regardless of what may happen upon release." There is a distinction there that many of us may not think about as much or tend to overlook because we understand the harvest, and are mostly self centric and just want to be ready for bow season as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, many, many, many more do not understand the harvest at all and in fact look at it all as quite barbaric. Any effort a bowhunter or any hunter makes to reduce wounding loss even more goes a long way to convince non-hunting politicians that we are as responsible as can be for one purpose and one purpose only, to ethically harvest game so that hunting in general and bowhunting more specifically remain an important conservation tool. With that being said, although hunter numbers are going down overall, bowhunting numbers are increasing and within that subset, more females are getting into the sport. Say your best friend's brother's wife calls you up because they know you're a good bowhunter and asks for your advice and it goes a little like this: Hey ________ "I'm going on a multispecies bowhunt to the Dark Continent, my draw length is 24" and I can only draw 35 lbs., what do you recommend for a good broadhead?" What are you going to tell her?
 
You sir, have made my Sunday morning...... this is great


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Two years ago I shot a small eight pointer at eight yards after he finished freshening up a scrape. I was in a 17' ladder stand. He was moving from my left to my right. Shot placement was right in the boiler room and upon impact the arrow entered and went in only about 12 to 14 inches. The remaining part of the shaft was sticking out his right side. I was mortified that I only got that level of penetration at 8 yards. As he bucked and took off I saw the arrow slap against a small pine as he disappeared. He only went 40 yards and died near his bed but I was unimpressed with my arrow performance. Yes, there was a lot of blood and the track job was relatively easy but I thought, If one of these nice black bears we've been having more and more sightings of around here came by my stand, I would hesitate to take a shot with that setup. I was using my .400 spine GT Hunter XT shafts, 100 grain NAP Spitfires. That bow's peak weight was set at 60lbs. The year after, I went back to using aluminum shafts to gain arrow weight and after watching RF and actually reading some posts on here and watching most of the Ashby stuff from the 2013 P&Y Annual meeting, I was convinced there was a better way that also placed the ethical aspects of hunting at the very top of the list. We don't see or care about it much but look around you nowadays. Most people aren't hunting. Plenty of people think their dogs and cats should have the same rights as humans. RF, THP, Ashby and many others are working on taking the paradigm from, "It shoots and tunes great but I can't say with full confidence that my setup will account for anything that may happen upon release" to (and its all relative to some extent here folks) "It shoots and tunes great and I know my arrows will ethically harvest that game animal regardless of what may happen upon release." There is a distinction there that many of us may not think about as much or tend to overlook because we understand the harvest, and are mostly self centric and just want to be ready for bow season as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, many, many, many more do not understand the harvest at all and in fact look at it all as quite barbaric. Any effort a bowhunter or any hunter makes to reduce wounding loss even more goes a long way to convince non-hunting politicians that we are as responsible as can be for one purpose and one purpose only, to ethically harvest game so that hunting in general and bowhunting more specifically remain an important conservation tool. With that being said, although hunter numbers are going down overall, bowhunting numbers are increasing and within that subset, more females are getting into the sport. Say your best friend's brother's wife calls you up because they know you're a good bowhunter and asks for your advice and it goes a little like this: Hey ________ "I'm going on a multispecies bowhunt to the Dark Continent, my draw length is 24" and I can only draw 35 lbs., what do you recommend for a good broadhead?" What are you going to tell her?
I would tell her to take a gun as she won't be allowed to shoot anything on the continent with her current setup except small game.


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Like the guys content and effort a ton- and have before he was Brittanica of bow blades.

I have a pile of the 400spine same arrows Cut to length (27) and have upped them to 475gr with 18.5ish FOC. I feel a bit inadequate on the weight because of this movement and shake my head to know at one point 15yrs ago the goal was to be at 350gr w a 70lb bow.

His efforts on terminal performance is why I became a fan. When it is time to replace me arrows, IF I can find the resource to try and determine what’s needed for a 525-550 setup with a stiffer spine I will. I’m not jumping to buy 150$ in 4 arrows and test kits while focusing on my shooting a two months before season.


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Like the guys content and effort a ton- and have before he was Brittanica of bow blades.

I have a pile of the 400spine same arrows Cut to length (27) and have upped them to 475gr with 18.5ish FOC. I feel a bit inadequate on the weight because of this movement and shake my head to know at one point 15yrs ago the goal was to be at 350gr w a 70lb bow.

His efforts on terminal performance is why I became a fan. When it is time to replace me arrows, IF I can find the resource to try and determine what’s needed for a 525-550 setup with a stiffer spine I will. I’m not jumping to buy 150$ in 4 arrows and test kits while focusing on my shooting a two months before season.


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I bet you could be in a 500-600 grain setup for less than A dollar or two premium over what you’re doing now, and it would take less than an hour to make all decisions. No test kits needed.

And I’m willing to bet 24.00 that if you can shoot a 500-600 grain arrow With a cut on contact fixed 2 blade broadhead over 250FPS through the chest cavity of a deer from inside of 30 yards, your arrow will Make two holes.

that purse will cover the extra cash you had to pay to make the change if it doesn’t get that result for you. No test kits, and you can use whatever cheap arrow you like so long as you follow that 12step program...

feel free to tell yourself whatever you like. But there is an answer. I’m just here to knock down your barriers of entry.
 
Total arrow weight is 410 grains, shooting 100 grain Slick Trick Magnums. Bows are 2010 & 2011 Mathews Z7 set at 65.5 lbs @ 29" draw. I'm touching right at 300 fps with this set up and they've killed alot of stuff.
I was wondering mostly what your broadhead was. I think a fixed blade head is one of the most important pieces of the penetration puzzle on whitetails. If your bow is tuned and your arrows are flying good and they're built solid, and the blades are sharp. I shot for a long time with arrows in the mid 400 grains and didn't have any trouble till I started using Rage Trypans on my FMJs, poor build on my arrows,last year(definitely my fault) but it also showed me that the blades were not the toughest. Also just how much energy it takes to deploy them. I am generally a " if it ain't broke" kinda guy, but my last year pointed out to me that I had room for improvement.
 
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