While I am jealous of seeing a pic of ANY pack with meat in it, you guys can keep the Alice packs. I used one about 10-15 years ago before I learned about pack suspension and all that... Man that pack was never comfortable, with or without a frame. It did haul a lot for me, more as an AT hiker than a hunter at that stage of my life, and never really broke or wore out (other than a few of the snaps, but that was more user error/crushing them than "wear") but I prefer the modern vertical packs over that floppy round lump on my back 100% of the times I go out now that I've got some other options.