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*update with results* 580 grains of goodness

Assuming 70 pounds exactly, you’re “slightly weak” with an Axis .300 with 200 grains up front. Marginal stiff with the .260 but that’s not gonna be an issue. If the .300’s give you any trouble try backing your bow off a turn or two. At 67 pounds it puts you square in the optimum spine range.

Good to know. Again thanks. I’ll try it with the 300s and if I have any issue I’ll make a change either with 260 spine arrows or dropping the weight a few lbs.


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That's nice. Those Iron wills are a nasty little surprise. Way to build it stout!!!

You're not kidding, the blade retention on these is incredible. I know that's one of their claims to fame but it's hard to understand until you shoot one into a target 30-40 times. I'm impressed. The precision accuracy of the wide cut is much better than I thought it would be. I can't shoot field any better.
 
You're not kidding, the blade retention on these is incredible. I know that's one of their claims to fame but it's hard to understand until you shoot one into a target 30-40 times. I'm impressed. The precision accuracy of the wide cut is much better than I thought it would be. I can't shoot field any better.
I've been trying to weigh some of the Iron Wills (S Series or Buffs) against the Alaskan 200 or Maasai 200 as a first big boy COC broadhead. Anyone have sagely advice there?
 
I've been trying to weigh some of the Iron Wills (S Series or Buffs) against the Alaskan 200 or Maasai 200 as a first big boy COC broadhead. Anyone have sagely advice there?

I can speak to the build quality and flight characteristics of the Iron Will’s (wide cut and solids) but haven’t seen the Alaskan and Maasai in person. The quality of the steel on the Iron Will is what sold me. I had it narrowed down to Iron Will and Bishop.

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I can speak to the build quality and flight characteristics of the Iron Will’s (wide cut and solids) but haven’t seen the Alaskan and Maasai in person. The quality of the steel on the Iron Will is what sold me. I had it narrowed down to Iron Will and Bishop.

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Thank you. Is that the Wide and S next to each other?
 
I've been trying to weigh some of the Iron Wills (S Series or Buffs) against the Alaskan 200 or Maasai 200 as a first big boy COC broadhead. Anyone have sagely advice there?
No sagely advise here, It's hard/easy decision. From the line up you mentioned you can't go wrong with any of them. If I followed Ashby to the letter I'd be shooting cutthroats, or bishops, you know, one piece 3 to 1, single bevel design, I chose the Masai single bevel, which is a two piece design and not with the 3 to 1. I chose it because it had a sick bevel and is super sharp, and yes it looks super cool with the red on it?
 
Does the IW make much noise in flight?

They have vented and solid (see picture) options. I can only speak from my experience but as the shooter, I can’t hear either at all. I have heard reports that the vented IW (like other vented heads) makes noise in flight. I imagine arrow velocity has something to do with that. I’ve spent several days on the range with the vented wide cut, sounds like a field point to me.


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If anyone gets a chance to test with their setups, RF had video of shooting arrows towards/past a camera and it really shed light on what the deer hear when you shoot at them. Been meaning to give it a shot with mine to compare feathers to blazers. Wonder if broadheads would make a difference.

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If anyone gets a chance to test with their setups, RF had video of shooting arrows towards/past a camera and it really shed light on what the deer hear when you shoot at them. Been meaning to give it a shot with mine to compare feathers to blazers. Wonder if broadheads would make a difference.

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I did that last week with blazers and field points at 40 yards. I’m amazed deer can hear it in time, not very loud. I’ll do the same with BH’s next time I shoot.

PM me if you want the video, I’m not starting a YouTube channel.


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If anyone gets a chance to test with their setups, RF had video of shooting arrows towards/past a camera and it really shed light on what the deer hear when you shoot at them. Been meaning to give it a shot with mine to compare feathers to blazers. Wonder if broadheads would make a difference.

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As far as in-flight noise Ashby recommends a solid BH with no venting to minimize. He also highly advocates for using small, straight, four- fletch feathers with a straight back (no parabolic or shield cuts) and finally the most important, no helical twist. I would think a solid BH with a long 3:1 type ratio would be the quietest but this is not based on any testing on my part, only from my online research and hunches. I ordered my RF Test Kit from Ethics and will begin my heavy arrow build journey soon. This has been and continues to be incredibly useful information thank you all for sharing!!!
 
I did that last week with blazers and field points at 40 yards. I’m amazed deer can hear it in time, not very loud. I’ll do the same with BH’s next time I shoot.

PM me if you want the video, I’m not starting a YouTube channel.


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I think they 100% react from the sound of the bow, not the arrows hissing as they fly. I watched his video and the whole time I'm thinking that sure quieter is better but I still can't imagine a deer hearing the arrow in flight and reacting as quick as they do. Sure, the sound of the bow, isn't coming much in advance of the sound of the arrow, but it's still the first noise to alert them.
 
I think they 100% react from the sound of the bow, not the arrows hissing as they fly. I watched his video and the whole time I'm thinking that sure quieter is better but I still can't imagine a deer hearing the arrow in flight and reacting as quick as they do. Sure, the sound of the bow, isn't coming much in advance of the sound of the arrow, but it's still the first noise to alert them.
Tbone said that he has noticed deer not reacting to his shots past 28 yards (something like that) so he prefers to shoot deer past that range because he does not see them drop. He also said you need to shoot heavier arrows to quiet your bow down to get that response.
 
Tbone said that he has noticed deer not reacting to his shots past 28 yards (something like that) so he prefers to shoot deer past that range because he does not see them drop. He also said you need to shoot heavier arrows to quiet your bow down to get that response.
It was amazing how much quieter my bow is with the heavier arrows. Positive byproduct for sure.
 
Anyone have experience shooting these two blade heads through the ground blind mesh. I would think no accuracy change at all do to heavy and high FOC, but wondering if it could due to fletching contact?
 
Anyone have experience shooting these two blade heads through the ground blind mesh. I would think no accuracy change at all do to heavy and high FOC, but wondering if it could due to fletching contact?

It’s been a few years but I’ve shot various fixed blade broadheads through ground blind mesh. No changes in point of impact at close (inside 30) range. I never tried any longer shots.


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As far as in-flight noise Ashby recommends a solid BH with no venting to minimize. He also highly advocates for using small, straight, four- fletch feathers with a straight back (no parabolic or shield cuts) and finally the most important, no helical twist. I would think a solid BH with a long 3:1 type ratio would be the quietest but this is not based on any testing on my part, only from my online research and hunches. I ordered my RF Test Kit from Ethics and will begin my heavy arrow build journey soon. This has been and continues to be incredibly useful information thank you all for sharing!!!

Ashby’s recommendations are pretty intuitive. With the traditional equipment he commonly used I’d imagine it’s possible to get your bow quiet enough to avoid detection at the shot. Although compound bows improve ever year, a deer is still going to hear the shot in a quiet no wind scenario. How the animal reacts to that shot varies a great deal from region to region. That has been my experience anyway.


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Anyone have experience shooting these two blade heads through the ground blind mesh. I would think no accuracy change at all do to heavy and high FOC, but wondering if it could due to fletching contact?
I shot through palm fronds and get very little if any deflection with heavy setups. I have a clump of palmettos roughly 7-8 yards in front of my 3d to practice for real hunting.....fronds have little effect over 550 grain arrow...stems will deflect everytime..
 
Anyone have experience shooting these two blade heads through the ground blind mesh. I would think no accuracy change at all do to heavy and high FOC, but wondering if it could due to fletching contact?
I was watching some of the videos on the Ashby foundation website and this guy was getting a second arrow into a buffalo, and you could see he hit a branch going in and that arrow didn't change course a lick.
 
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