8mm or 11mm - Ropeman 1 or Kong Duck

[Patriot38]

Looking around at other posts, they’ve got me interested in SRT, rappelling, 1 stick climbing, 1 hand ascenders. Anyone here do any of that? I’m interested because I’ve done some rappelling in the past and have enjoyed it. Also, it would save on carrying sticks and stuff. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Advantages/Disadvantages? Safety concerns?


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I also got bit by the one stick craze. Some guys swear by it but for me it's just a little too involved and the benefits don't really out weigh the fiddle factor. Mainly, if you need to get down quickly and then back up again it doesn't work as well. It takes alot of practice to be able to do it quietly and effectively. SRT climbing just looks dumb. But that's my opinion. Same reason people buy a Chevy, Ford or a prius.

I always revert to my WE steps. Im in the market for sticks right now but I always seem to go back the the WE steps for ease of use and flexibility in different tree climbing scenarios. They can also be fiddly but once you get the hang of it they are a great option.

Also, get an 11 and an 8 climbing rope. You can use either or for lineman belt and tether. Mechanical devices are very easy to use. If they are under load (kong or ropeman) you cannot "accidently" pull the cord and go flying. They are basically locked once under a load. I've used both and either one works perfectly for our intended use. Just make sure you stay in the specs of climb ratings and you shouldn't need to worry. Back up prussics or some form of back up line is nice to have. You should never have a 1 point of failure system when hanging in a tree. People do it all the time but 95% of saddle hunters have the equipment on them at all times to create a 2 point failure system.

Good luck, be safe and have fun!

 

[GetHomeSafe]

I am new to saddle hunting. I just got my platform and saddle from TETHRD. I really like their company and their products. I was originally going to go with their only options for ropes and mechanical prusiks, which was their only option at the time. The 11mm lineman’s and tether ropes with the Ropeman 1. Now they have the 8mm with the Kong Duck. I realize this isn’t new to the rope world but it is new to me because I’m not deep in the climbing world. Or even saddle hunting at the moment. Learning though.

Can anyone help me with this debate? Why should I choose one over the other. I am 6’4” 230lb and have big hands. To me, the 11mm ‘feels’ safer because it is thicker. I understand that technically the 8mm rope is rated for more though. When I was first learning about saddle hunting, all the videos were of people using the Ropeman 1 so I got used to that being the way to go. They made it look like it works really smooth. I was able to try the Kong Duck not too long ago and, for me, it seemed difficult to use. Again, I am new and had never used it before. Just didn’t seem as smooth. But then again, I’ve never used the Ropeman 1 before.

I’m really stuck on which options to choose. I need to choose soon though. I hate having options. Lol. Sometimes it paralyzes me. So, what do y’all think? 8mm with Kong or 11mm with Ropeman? Both for Lineman’s and Tether. Thanks for the help.


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CT roll n lock same price as the kong, both one hand easy adjust, CT rated to 20kn in a fall. Kong is not even fall rated. Why would you want less safety all else being equal. Better yet sterling TRC on 8mm oplux as a Michoacan friction hitch with a mini figure 8 key chain tender. Safer cheaper lighter, no metal to clank, one hand easy adjust.

 

[CZMark]

CT roll n lock same price as the kong, both one hand easy adjust, CT rated to 20kn in a fall. Kong is not even fall rated. Why would you want less safety all else being equal. Better yet sterling TRC on 8mm oplux as a Michoacan friction hitch with a mini figure 8 key chain tender. Safer cheaper lighter, no metal to clank, one hand easy adjust.

The RollNLock is NOT rated to 20kn in a fall. Like all devices of this type (Ropeman 1, Kong Duck etc.), it is prone to strip the sheath of the rope or sever the rope completely at or above 4kn. From RollNLock instructions:

"1.1 - Intended uses. The equipment is designed for the following applications: protection against falls from a height (EN 12278); prevention of falls from a height and protection against moderate falls from a height (EN 567). Attention!The equipment, used as device to adjust the lanyard length, does not prevent nor protect from the risks listed above."

AND:

"Attention!A fall factor greater than 1 may cause the rope to break"

https://www.climbingtechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IST12-2D652CTS0-S1-S2_rev-3_04-21.pdf

 

[CZMark]

As to the original question, I use/have used the Ropeman 1, Kong Duck and CT RollNLock. If it's within spec of the rope you're using, the Ropeman 1 wins hands down--it's simpler to use, easier to make quiet, and works with any carabiner (the Duck & RollNLock require an oval carabiner).

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

As to the original question, I use/have used the Ropeman 1, Kong Duck and CT RollNLock. If it's within spec of the rope you're using, the Ropeman 1 wins hands down--it's simpler to use, easier to make quiet, and works with any carabiner (the Duck & RollNLock require an oval carabiner).

And if you’re going with an 8mm, the rope man 2 in black wins for me as well. Simpler lighter and accepts almost any carabiner

 

[HuumanCreed]

Kong Duck and Oplux 8mm for lineman, Canyon IV 9mm and Grigri+ for tether/rappelling line. This is my setup for 1sticking. But once I'm up at hunting height, I put on a prussic as my main tension device and the GriGri+ is slided all the way back into my pouch. Use my lineman as backup tether. I know people have use 8mm for everything, but I like a little larger rope for climbing 1stick.

 

[iamcorey]

Looking around at other posts, they’ve got me interested in SRT, rappelling, 1 stick climbing, 1 hand ascenders. Anyone here do any of that? I’m interested because I’ve done some rappelling in the past and have enjoyed it. Also, it would save on carrying sticks and stuff. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Advantages/Disadvantages? Safety concerns?


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Here are my thoughts. Its just another way to get in a tree. There are a bunch these days. Instead of carrying sticks you'd be carrying rope and ascending/descending devices. I've tried a bunch of that stuff, and I'm much quieter with 3-4 climbing sticks. Is it a little extra weight? No idea. My 4 minis are between 5 and 6lbs by my estimate. A reasonable load that any man should be able to carry a couple of miles without issue unless there are health concerns.

My thoughts on one sticking is that I didn't love it like some do. Definitely not enough to drop a bunch of coin on a specialized stick. I just didn't enjoy fighting gravity, putting the tree trunk in a figure 4 leg lock to hold steady, and searching for telephone trees like I did with my climber. Rappelling is fun no doubt. Retrieving the rope in the dark not so much. I do carry an emergency rappel kit and its a good skill to have.

I think the advantages are clear with practice. It's all how you want to get in the tree and hopefully kill deer. You can make it as expensive as you like.

Good news is there is plenty of time to try some stuff out before season starts and unload what you don't like. When I get the itch to tweak my already proven system, I remind myself the end goal is to kill stuff not buy stuff to climb trees.

Hope that helps.

 

[Zero One Actual]

So I just got three of these made and they turned out awesome.

Edelrid Swift Protect Pro Dry 8.9mm Tether/Lineman Belt

Not ANSI rated - With sewn eye ABS is 4000lb when pulled straight. The Swift Protect Pro Dry is the first dynamic single rope with built-in cut resistance. This means high-strength aramid fibers are integrated into the rope sheath during the braiding process. This increases the cut resistance of...

arbsession.com

Email brandon@arbsession.com. Super awesome dude who hunts also, so he understands what we are looking for.

They do all sorts of custom work also so feel free to send in your own rope or request a certain type and they will test it and give you the data and any other information you may want.

Super friendly guys to deal with also.

 

[wingnut]

I came away with the same impression of Brandon from Arbsession. I ordered enough camo canyon elite for two tethers and 6 foot that he requested for testing from EWO and had it shipped to Arbsession. Brandon checked with the manufacturer of the canyon elite and came up with a sewing pattern for the sewn eyes. He sewed an eye on the extra piece of rope and tested it for break strength at 5900 lbs. He just shipped the two tethers out to me today. I really liked the feel of the Canyon elite and thought it would make a great linesman belt.