Ameristep strap on step recall information

[blbloomquist]

Don't know the strength of the plastic that is used, but has anyone checked into someone with as table top printer for a price?

 

[denots]

Don't know the strength of the plastic that is used, but has anyone checked into someone with as table top printer for a price?

That is a good idea, but I dont think I would want to invest in one just to make steps for me. And I definitely would not make any for anyone else without plenty of testing and a lot of insurance. To much liability! But if you know someone with one it is possible.

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[Boudreaux]

Any luck finding someone that can recast these steps yet?

I can get a patent I would probably pitch it to some larger companies. Not looking to get rich just want to put out a quality product for the hunting industry.

There has been some behind the scenes leg work done on this. There have been some 3d printed proof of concepts and cost has been evaluated. While cost of starting up and producing first run of prototypes is not bad, insurance will KILL you. I highly doubt, you will see any large company pick up the risk of a product like this for such a small market. Saddle hunting is the only market for something like this, you don't see many single step, strap on steps on the market for a reason, they don't sell. To try and patent them, would add a extra cost that would keep you in the red for MUCH longer.

Just some thoughts,
Thanks,
Boswell

 

[denots]

There has been some behind the scenes leg work done on this. There have been some 3d printed proof of concepts and cost has been evaluated. While cost of starting up and producing first run of prototypes is not bad, insurance will KILL you. I highly doubt, you will see any large company pick up the risk of a product like this for such a small market. Saddle hunting is the only market for something like this, you don't see many single step, strap on steps on the market for a reason, they don't sell. To try and patent them, would add a extra cost that would keep you in the red for MUCH longer.

Just some thoughts,
Thanks,
Boswell

Well Believe Me Brother when I tell you that if I can't make money at it and the idea doesn't seem like a winner I'm not afraid to scrap it and turn my idea lose to all you guys. One problem, it seems with the ameristep tree steps, is that there is one step per strap. I noticed guys who use them for platforms put multiple steps on one strap. Also I think the biggest Factor is the fact that they started breaking. If I can stop them from breaking and put more than one step on a strap Not only would saddle Hunters use them, which I know they would, but it seems like a lightweight ladder system that the average guy could pack in and out of public land without having to carry sticks. I will say the Lone Wolf system for their stick ladder and lock on stand is pretty legit, but it still doesn't make it any easier to carry your backpack in. I spent the better part of the night working on a drawing and putting details down on paper that I've been thinking about at work all day. I'm still going to build some prototypes here at the house just to play with them and see how they work. If I ever get to make some actual prototypes that will be like the finished product I'll let you know I'd be interested in getting your take on them!

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[Swampfox]

Well Believe Me Brother when I tell you that if I can't make money at it and the idea doesn't seem like a winner I'm not afraid to scrap it and turn my idea lose to all you guys. One problem, it seems with the ameristep tree steps, is that there is one step per strap. I noticed guys who use them for platforms put multiple steps on one strap. Also I think the biggest Factor is the fact that they started breaking. If I can stop them from breaking and put more than one step on a strap Not only would saddle Hunters use them, which I know they would, but it seems like a lightweight ladder system that the average guy could pack in and out of public land without having to carry sticks. I will say the Lone Wolf system for their stick ladder and lock on stand is pretty legit, but it still doesn't make it any easier to carry your backpack in. I spent the better part of the night working on a drawing and putting details down on paper that I've been thinking about at work all day. I'm still going to build some prototypes here at the house just to play with them and see how they work. If I ever get to make some actual prototypes that will be like the finished product I'll let you know I'd be interested in getting your take on them!

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Here you go. A plastic step ladder system that packs down nicely into a back pack and doesn't break. Best of all its already in production and readily available. Btw no need for more than one step on a strap other than a platform. Additional steps add additional weight. Hope this helps...

http://www.stealthstep.com/




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[denots]

Here you go. A plastic step ladder system that packs down nicely into a back pack and doesn't break. Best of all its already in production and readily available. Btw no need for more than one step on a strap other than a platform. Additional steps add additional weight. Hope this helps...

http://www.stealthstep.com/




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Well there it is. Guess I'll just make some just to start experimenting with platform ideas. Hadn't seen these. Thanks for the info.

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[Root]

Red have you tried those?

 

[denots]

Well there it is. Guess I'll just make some just to start experimenting with platform ideas. Hadn't seen these. Thanks for the info.

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They seem a bit clunky to me. I do believe I would prefer using the step ladder system. Upon further examination I do believe that by the time you add two steps to one strap to make the system more like a ladder so you can have two feet on the tree per step the system will begin to bulk up too much. The biggest drawback is that you can't really get steps to Nest together. So I believe you guys are correct in saying that the only real market for steps are saddle Hunters. Sorry if I seemed a bit overzealous guys but since running across this way of hunting my mind has been going a million miles an hour. I do still plan on making some prototypes and toying with the idea of a step that works kind of like the ameristep but I believe will be more secure in the tree and stronger as well. The main objective will be to create a strong step system that can be used solely as a platform or as an addition to a platform to Aid in moving around the tree. If I think I have a good idea I'll be sure to share it with everybody and how I made them so if anyone is interested in making their own set they will be able to. Thanks for all the great advice guys!

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[diff74]

Couldn't help myself. Aluminum ameristeps cut with water jet with some modifications. I to was thinking what if I could market these but insurance and the small market makes it seem impossible. As I sit here in the rain in a pop up blind wishing I was in a tree.

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[swampsnyper]

They seem a bit clunky to me. I do believe I would prefer using the step ladder system. Upon further examination I do believe that by the time you add two steps to one strap to make the system more like a ladder so you can have two feet on the tree per step the system will begin to bulk up too much. The biggest drawback is that you can't really get steps to Nest together. So I believe you guys are correct in saying that the only real market for steps are saddle Hunters. Sorry if I seemed a bit overzealous guys but since running across this way of hunting my mind has been going a million miles an hour. I do still plan on making some prototypes and toying with the idea of a step that works kind of like the ameristep but I believe will be more secure in the tree and stronger as well. The main objective will be to create a strong step system that can be used solely as a platform or as an addition to a platform to Aid in moving around the tree. If I think I have a good idea I'll be sure to share it with everybody and how I made them so if anyone is interested in making their own set they will be able to. Thanks for all the great advice guys!

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Don’t quit. I got a dozen of so of those stealth steps sitting in the garage. Only used one and that was enough for me to know it’s not what saddle hunters are looking for. They are noisy plastic, flex with side pressure, and there are simpler ways to attach to a tree out there. They are ok if you want to use as a ladder as intended. But I wouldn’t want to have it for a mobile system. Maybe only a preset that stays up all year. But I don’t even use them for that.

 

[denots]

Don’t quit. I got a dozen of so of those stealth steps sitting in the garage. Only used one and that was enough for me to know it’s not what saddle hunters are looking for. They are noisy plastic, flex with side pressure, and there are simpler ways to attach to a tree out there. They are ok if you want to use as a ladder as intended. But I wouldn’t want to have it for a mobile system. Maybe only a preset that stays up all year. But I don’t even use them for that.

They look like if you fill them with corn it would make a pretty cool squirrel feeder!

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[denots]

Couldn't help myself. Aluminum ameristeps cut with water jet with some modifications. I to was thinking what if I could market these but insurance and the small market makes it seem impossible. As I sit here in the rain in a pop up blind wishing I was in a tree.

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Maybe the answer is not to sell them as step ladder systems but as paperweights like they do brass knuckles at the gun and knife show. I wonder if this would excuse you from any liability if someone attach them to a tree?

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[denots]

Couldn't help myself. Aluminum ameristeps cut with water jet with some modifications. I to was thinking what if I could market these but insurance and the small market makes it seem impossible. As I sit here in the rain in a pop up blind wishing I was in a tree.

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Did you make these yourself? If you did about how much did it cost to produce each step? I would be in the market for some paper weights sold as replicas!

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[redsquirrel]

Red have you tried those?

No. They have gotten very poor reviews on here.

 

[denots]

Well I tried making some really crude mock-ups last night out of plywood just to test my theory and I don't believe I'm going to be able to see if my design will work using plywood. The problem is to get the plywood thin enough it loses all its strength so I can't really get the step to lock on the tree without it bending or breaking. I think I'm going to try another mock-up but use steal which obviously would be a terrible material for a step because of the weight but I believe it'll give me a better idea of how the step will or will not work if it were made out of aluminum. I was hoping not to have to spend all the time cutting and welding steel because if I don't get it right the first time and I have to make adjustments it takes a long time to remake a whole nother step. I guess in the long run it may be worth it instead of spending all the extra money on aluminum just to create a pile of scrap. Not to mention my wife's ready to kill me for being out in the barn till the wee hours of the morning every night. I'm hoping by next weekend to have one made out of steel.

I would rather have tried and failed, than fail because I didn't try!
D

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[swampsnyper]

Well I tried making some really crude mock-ups last night out of plywood just to test my theory and I don't believe I'm going to be able to see if my design will work using plywood. The problem is to get the plywood thin enough it loses all its strength so I can't really get the step to lock on the tree without it bending or breaking. I think I'm going to try another mock-up but use steal which obviously would be a terrible material for a step because of the weight but I believe it'll give me a better idea of how the step will or will not work if it were made out of aluminum. I was hoping not to have to spend all the time cutting and welding steel because if I don't get it right the first time and I have to make adjustments it takes a long time to remake a whole nother step. I guess in the long run it may be worth it instead of spending all the extra money on aluminum just to create a pile of scrap. Not to mention my wife's ready to kill me for being out in the barn till the wee hours of the morning every night. I'm hoping by next weekend to have one made out of steel.

I would rather have tried and failed, than fail because I didn't try!
D

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All we can do is try. Keep at it.

 

[diff74]

Did you make these yourself? If you did about how much did it cost to produce each step? I would be in the market for some paper weights sold as replicas!

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The quotes started at around $40 each. I made a 3d model for these but it sounded like water jet sources can scan in a sketch and make a program to cut from that.

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[diff74]

Maybe the answer is not to sell them as step ladder systems but as paperweights like they do brass knuckles at the gun and knife show. I wonder if this would excuse you from any liability if someone attach them to a tree?

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Sounds fun but not enough people would pay what it costs to make them.

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[IkemanTX]

Couldn't help myself. Aluminum ameristeps cut with water jet with some modifications. I to was thinking what if I could market these but insurance and the small market makes it seem impossible. As I sit here in the rain in a pop up blind wishing I was in a tree.

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I would be very interested in knowing what a pack of 4 or 5 of these “paperweights” would cost me...


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[denots]

Sounds fun but not enough people would pay what it costs to make them.

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I've pretty much scraped the idea of making a step to sell. I am however going to order some 4" t bar and cut 3" wide cross sections to make some platform steps for myself. Going to make two slots for strap to go through. I'll post picks when I get them made and see how they work.

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