Arrow setup to break heavy bone

[AKMonkey]

Regarding the broadheads you mentioned, Iron Will and QAD Exodus are both solid, well-built heads, but neither has the single bevel that helps an arrow split the bone with torque. The Exodus has repaceable blades which is convenient for keeping your heads sharp, but they tend to break when they hit bone. The Helix single bevel is the most likely to break heavy bone of the heads you listed, but the flared base of the blade is likely to hinder penetration compared to a long, straight blade.

If you havent read Dr. Ed Ashby's reports on this topic, take a look at this compendium:

Ashby Bowhunting Reports — Ashby Bowhunting Foundation

Dr. Ed Ashby has provided us with decades of critical research focused on arrow and broadhead penetration. This work stands alone and provides global leadership in the areas of bowhunting lethality and ethical hunting practices.

www.ashbybowhunting.org

 

[Mr Price]

I'm running as of now 28.5" victory arrow with 125 grain brass insert, with a 125 helix broadhead (single beveled 2 blade). Pushed by a 70# Matthews Switchback with a 29" draw. Have no idea about the speed and don't really care.
My Trad setup is a 29" victory arrow with a 150 grain brass insert, with a 225 vandieman broadhead. Enough foc to counteract a volkswagon on the fletched end

 

[weekender21]

Ok cool. The dee I have most were due to mechanicals, deflections etc


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That makes your situation easier to understand. I thought you were having issues with the fixed blade set up you mentioned in your initial post. I seriously doubt you would have the same results you had with mechanicals shooting your current arrow/BH. Sure, you can ride the ranch fairy wave and go full tilt poker crazy with an extremely heavy arrow but your 515 grain arrow with 15% FOC is very respectable.

 

[Wmihunter]

Is it worth selling my arrows (Easton 6mm axis 10.2 goi 300 spine) to go with a gold tip kinetic to get higher foc (19%) at 510 grains vs my current setup with Lower foc (15%) at 500 grains. I could get foc to 16% by going with a 100 grain or even 18% with a 125 grain insert.

So 510 grains at 19% foc with gold tip velocity OR 525 grain 6mm axis with 16 % foc? Which will penetrate better? Or should I go all in 550 grain 6mm with 18% foc?


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[Gamover06]

Is it worth selling my arrows (Easton 6mm axis 10.2 goi 300 spine) to go with a gold tip kinetic to get higher foc (19%) at 510 grains vs my current setup with Lower foc (15%) at 500 grains. I could get foc to 16% by going with a 100 grain or even 18% with a 125 grain insert.

So 510 grains at 19% foc with gold tip velocity OR 525 grain 6mm axis with 16 % foc? Which will penetrate better? Or should I go all in 550 grain 6mm with 18% foc?


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To be honest probably would not see enough difference for me to justify selling and rebuying. The 3% FOC increase wouldn't be worth it for me to have the same weighted arrow from a sell and buy standpoint. You could keep your arrows and increase the 50 grains and go to 18%, that would be worth it but only if you are still going to be on the stiff side. The best way to know is add the weight and see how they shoot. If they are still flying and grouping then run them.

Your still ahead of the game with a 500 grain 15% FOC. Still a great set up.

 

[LilBit]

I would say the 525 grain would because its heavier. I'm not certain how much the FOC will affect the penetration though at 16% vs 19%

 

[weekender21]

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So 510 grains at 19% foc with gold tip velocity OR 525 grain 6mm axis with 16 % foc? Which will penetrate better? Or should I go all in 550 grain 6mm with 18% foc?


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Not a huge difference between those two. I can’t imagine a scenario where you’d notice the difference between a 510 grain arrow at 19% FOC vs. a 525 grain arrow at 16% FOC.

Keep you’re broadheads scary sharp an your bow tuned, both of those will get the job done.


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[FletchDeep]

Is it worth selling my arrows (Easton 6mm axis 10.2 goi 300 spine) to go with a gold tip kinetic to get higher foc (19%) at 510 grains vs my current setup with Lower foc (15%) at 500 grains. I could get foc to 16% by going with a 100 grain or even 18% with a 125 grain insert.

So 510 grains at 19% foc with gold tip velocity OR 525 grain 6mm axis with 16 % foc? Which will penetrate better? Or should I go all in 550 grain 6mm with 18% foc?


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You're really picking the fly specs out of the pepper here. What kind of animals are you shooting at that you're worried a 500 grain arrow won't kill? Go forth hunt, kill, and be happy.

 

[Mr Price]

The higher foc is always better. But! Don't sacrifice arrow flight.

 

[Wmihunter]

I got the bareshaft shooting bullet holes only to find my rest isn’t dropping away in time so my fletched arrows fly worse! I’ll get that fixed soon


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[Mr Price]

I got the bareshaft shooting bullet holes only to find my rest isn’t dropping away in time so my fletched arrows fly worse! I’ll get that fixed soon


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I've encountered that in the past. Good catch

 

[JSEXTON23]

Is it worth selling my arrows (Easton 6mm axis 10.2 goi 300 spine) to go with a gold tip kinetic to get higher foc (19%) at 510 grains vs my current setup with Lower foc (15%) at 500 grains. I could get foc to 16% by going with a 100 grain or even 18% with a 125 grain insert.

So 510 grains at 19% foc with gold tip velocity OR 525 grain 6mm axis with 16 % foc? Which will penetrate better? Or should I go all in 550 grain 6mm with 18% foc?


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Not being critical here, but I wouldn’t consider 18% FOC “all in”.

 

[Allegheny Tom]

You're really picking the fly specs out of the pepper here. What kind of animals are you shooting at that you're worried a 500 grain arrow won't kill? Go forth hunt, kill, and be happy.

We are building arrows for worst case scenarios. Animals move after we release the arrow. We cannot depend that our "bullseye" is gonna remain in the spot where we aimed. Eventually, if we shoot enough deer, we will hit heavy bone.
500 gr doesn't mean crap if the FOC sucks, or flight sucks, or broadhead quality sucks.
Im not calling anyone out, but some guys need to learn from Ashby. The guy has killed more critters than all of us put together. He has STUDIED arrow lethality for over 30 years. His bowhunting foundation exists solely for studying, and improving arrow performance.

 

[Nutterbuster]

I have sold my 400 grain arrows, and built new 650 grain ones.

I have also sold my .308, and bought a .416 rigsby. That's what they use in Africa, and you gotta prepare for the worst case scenario. Anything a .308 will do, a .416 will do and do better. Sure, it's a little more time and effort to obtain that, but deer don't deserve to suffer, and I don't wanna miss even a single opportunity on a buck. I'd hate to look back and wonder, "What if?"

Deer move, and don't always present perfect, broadside shot opportunities. I wouldn't plan on shooting one up the poop-chute and out the throat patch, but it's nice knowing if I have to, I have the gun to get the job done.

 

[Wmihunter]

We are building arrows for worst case scenarios. Animals move after we release the arrow. We cannot depend that our "bullseye" is gonna remain in the spot where we aimed. Eventually, if we shoot enough deer, we will hit heavy bone.
500 gr doesn't mean crap if the FOC sucks, or flight sucks, or broadhead quality sucks.
Im not calling anyone out, but some guys need to learn from Ashby. The guy has killed more critters than all of us put together. He has STUDIED arrow lethality for over 30 years. His bowhunting foundation exists solely for studying, and improving arrow performance.

Agreed. However, I think with great arrow flight, single bevel and 500 grain with good foc you can get a lot of penetration. That’s what my research shows. I have always had a great fly arrow and that is at the rope of his list


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[FletchDeep]

We are building arrows for worst case scenarios. Animals move after we release the arrow. We cannot depend that our "bullseye" is gonna remain in the spot where we aimed. Eventually, if we shoot enough deer, we will hit heavy bone.
500 gr doesn't mean crap if the FOC sucks, or flight sucks, or broadhead quality sucks.
Im not calling anyone out, but some guys need to learn from Ashby. The guy has killed more critters than all of us put together. He has STUDIED arrow lethality for over 30 years. His bowhunting foundation exists solely for studying, and improving arrow performance.

Of course you need to worry about deer ducking your shot if you load up your arrow enough to shoot recurve speeds. At my specs I have no worries inside 20 yards. I also dare someone to say this setup wouldn't make it to a whitetails vitals because the arrows not heavy enough. I took reaction times of olympic sprinters and crunched the numbers of how far a deer can drop in those times. Read em and weep #adultbows

 

[Wmihunter]

Also a Broadhead that is tough and sharp


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[IkemanTX]

Of course you need to worry about deer ducking your shot if you load up your arrow enough to shoot recurve speeds. At my specs I have no worries inside 20 yards. I also dare someone to say this setup wouldn't make it to a whitetails vitals because the arrows not heavy enough. I took reaction times of olympic sprinters and crunched the numbers of how far a deer can drop in those times. Read em and weep #adultbows
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You do you, boo.

I’ll build a worst case scenario setup and ensure a solid kill no matter what.


Oh, and I’ll take your dare.

You put a clavical or humorous in the direct path of your arrow setup.... and it won’t make it through to the vitals, I guarantee it.

My setup from the past season wouldn’t either...

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[dalton916]

Unless you’re shooting groundhogs or squirrels then you need not worry about a clavicle getting in the way and even then I dare say you need not worry.

 

[IkemanTX]

Unless you’re shooting groundhogs or squirrels then you need not worry about a clavicle getting in the way and even then I dare say you need not worry.

Sorry, scapula...


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