Arrow weight advice.

[BTaylor]

Picked up a new Proven 34 this year.
Set at 64lbs
dl is 31.4 ( I have Inspector Gadget like arms)

I shooting an Altra 300 spine arrow cut to 30”.

I have been shooting both 100 grain heads and 125 grain heads with absolutely no change in POI anywhere from 10 to 45 yards. The two different weights hit together in a good group. I was slightly baffled by this, especially as the yardage increased. But after a month of testing and probably about 800 shots, both weights hit together.
Now, the question is this:
I am going to give a single bevel head a try this year. Probably one on the top of end of the broad head market, so it’s a pretty healthy money investment.
Which head weight would you go with and why? Real world experiences if you have any to offer. The finished arrow weights are 442 and 467. I think the FOC on the lighter is around 10% and 13% for the heavier.

64# at 31.5" with a 467 grain arrow, if it's tuned, you can shoot any head you want too and expect passthru's more times than not. With a small cutting diameter head like most single bevels, it's not going to slow down much unless you hit heavy bone. My compound setup is 68# at 29" and I shoot a 495 grain arrow. On my KS deer last season the 1.75" spitfire max was stuck in the ground 4-5 yards past the deer on a 27-28 yards shot. That deer was 275-280ish live weight.

 

[neonomad]

I’m currently in the low 500s and if time allows this year Id prefer to be where you are, mid 400s (for whitetail). I did not run your spine calcs here but I’d prolly go with whatever appears to be more optimized to the spine; am I correct that you’re a bit stiff on spine at 300, if that’s true I’d lean toward 125, but would not worry much about it either way.

 

[therooster240g]

Either head weight would work for your set up. I personally would lean towards a 125 for the reason of it possibly being more durable. A solid 100 grain would be a close second.


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[woodsdog2]

Several years ago, I shot a big Ohio buck at about 12 yards through both shoulders on purpose with a 650 grain 28%+/- FOC arrow with a Grizzly single bevel broadhead. Upon receipt of the arrow, the buck went to take another step and neither of his front legs worked any longer. He face planted and pushed himself along on his nose with his hind legs off into a creek where he expired shortly afterward. The arrow went through the onside shoulder and completely severed the offside humorous bone. This was with a 60 pound draw weight Mathews Helim compound.

Season before last, I shot a buck slight quartering too through the shoulder and out behind the shoulder at about 17 yards with a lighter arrow setup weighing 585 grains and about 22% FOC. This was another grizzly single bevel. It went through the scapula on the onside and ribs on exit. The buck trotted 25 yards, stood there nervously, then tipped over dead.

I mostly shoot this 585 grain setup since it tunes to both of my compounds, one 44 and one 60 pounds. It is plenty for our smaller bodied Southern deer. If I go up North again, I will likely pack a little more heat, lol.

Nice bucks Bro!!!

 

[NMSbowhunter]

Nice bucks Bro!!!

Thanks!

 

[arrowchukker]

64# at 31.5" with a 467 grain arrow, if it's tuned, you can shoot any head you want too and expect passthru's more times than not. With a small cutting diameter head like most single bevels, it's not going to slow down much unless you hit heavy bone. My compound setup is 68# at 29" and I shoot a 495 grain arrow. On my KS deer last season the 1.75" spitfire max was stuck in the ground 4-5 yards past the deer on a 27-28 yards shot. That deer was 275-280ish live weight.

You are correct. I usually pass through any deer, no matter which heads I have used. Even mechanical. I do occasionally shoot a Sevr, also. I am just going to single bevel to try and give the best possible result if I were to hit bone. I found myself recently trying to “stay off the shoulder” a bit, when making shots. I want to minimize that, and tuck my shots closer in on vitals.

 

[BowhunterXC]

@NMSbowhunter
I decided to take somewhat of a shortcut for sharpening the Grizzly and Steel Force single bevels. I use a belt sander with 800 grit to get a burr on the edge, then I switch to 1500 grit to polish it up a little and finish it with a leather strop. It only takes about 6 or 7 minutes to sharpen both sided of a single bevel, to a mirror finish. A very light touch is all it takes on the belt sander.

 

[NMSbowhunter]

@NMSbowhunter
I decided to take somewhat of a shortcut for sharpening the Grizzly and Steel Force single bevels. I use a belt sander with 800 grit to get a burr on the edge, then I switch to 1500 grit to polish it up a little and finish it with a leather strop. It only takes about 6 or 7 minutes to sharpen both sided of a single bevel, to a mirror finish. A very light touch is all it takes on the belt sander.
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Are you using a jig to hold the broadheads?

 

[BowhunterXC]

Are you using a jig to hold the broadheads?

Yes! The Stay Sharp model for the fixed blade broadheads.
I'd like to replace the plastic rollers with metal ones, because the sanding belt is hard on the plastic's durability.

 

[ky pole slinger]

200g single bevel
250 spine gt airstrike
Factory components (insert/sleeve)
150 grains additional insert weights
4 fletch heat vanes
Gt nick collars
Ip nocks

Cut to 28.5 c2c

Shot off a lift 33, 75# 29.5 inches

I don't know what my arrow speed is. I honestly couldn't care less. Most animals I shoot doesn't know it's shot til the arrow smacks the dirt opposite side. And none of them look complain that it's moving to slow from my freezer.

Everyone hates on the heavy stick guys. But I haven't found an animal in North America that stops that stick. From any angle. Period. Transfer the energy and they will drop in front of you 100% of the time.

And when I say I can't find an animal that stops it. I've shot, greater eland, elk, moose, American bison, black tail, white tail, black bear, American Impala, countless rodents, and hogs.

Before anyone wonders "hOwS hE gEt ThE tImE"

Your welcome for my service and thank you for paying me rhe rest of my life. I'm a disabled vet that literally doesn't have anything to do but how hunt.


Also, if anyone wants to question if the animals I hunt ever jump the string. They try. But the 106 (2024), 186 (2023) and 94 (2022) white tail deer that I've written off donating to the hunters of the hungry programs that I own land in (both Ohio and KY) would solidify any argument against anyone trying to think of some knuckle dragging argument why speed means accuracy. People have been killing with 1200 grain arrows and 40 pound bows thousands of years before we thought of drawing a bow.

Shoot the heavy stick. Or don't and question while the animal you just tried to take shrugging off your pixie stick off while you go hungry.




Also I would highly recommend vpa or tuffhead s7 tool steel broad heads. Sand paper them hoes from 80 grit to 2000 and you won't have to worry about a thing other then shot placement ever again.

 

[Plebe]

My opinion, get a chronograph. Pick your minimum arrow speed and go as heavy as possible to achieve that.

You don’t need a super heavy setup, with your DL and poundage, you‘ll get “two holes” just fine with a moderate weight setup especially with the advantages of hitting closer to where you aim (instead of both shoulders, sheesh) when the deer reacts to the arrow noise.

 

[Fireprojectile]

This ^

 

[MidMichBow]

200g single bevel
250 spine gt airstrike
Factory components (insert/sleeve)
150 grains additional insert weights
4 fletch heat vanes
Gt nick collars
Ip nocks

Cut to 28.5 c2c

Shot off a lift 33, 75# 29.5 inches

I don't know what my arrow speed is. I honestly couldn't care less. Most animals I shoot doesn't know it's shot til the arrow smacks the dirt opposite side. And none of them look complain that it's moving to slow from my freezer.

Everyone hates on the heavy stick guys. But I haven't found an animal in North America that stops that stick. From any angle. Period. Transfer the energy and they will drop in front of you 100% of the time.

And when I say I can't find an animal that stops it. I've shot, greater eland, elk, moose, American bison, black tail, white tail, black bear, American Impala, countless rodents, and hogs.

Before anyone wonders "hOwS hE gEt ThE tImE"

Your welcome for my service and thank you for paying me rhe rest of my life. I'm a disabled vet that literally doesn't have anything to do but how hunt.


Also, if anyone wants to question if the animals I hunt ever jump the string. They try. But the 106 (2024), 186 (2023) and 94 (2022) white tail deer that I've written off donating to the hunters of the hungry programs that I own land in (both Ohio and KY) would solidify any argument against anyone trying to think of some knuckle dragging argument why speed means accuracy. People have been killing with 1200 grain arrows and 40 pound bows thousands of years before we thought of drawing a bow.

Shoot the heavy stick. Or don't and question while the animal you just tried to take shrugging off your pixie stick off while you go hungry.




Also I would highly recommend vpa or tuffhead s7 tool steel broad heads. Sand paper them hoes from 80 grit to 2000 and you won't have to worry about a thing other then shot placement ever again.

Thank you for your service! I'm glad you're able to get out and enjoy hunting. That's an awesome lineup of animals you've gotten to hunt & harvest! And thanks for caring for others through donating game. Also, I prefer heavier arrows too.

 

[Nosaj]

200g single bevel
250 spine gt airstrike
Factory components (insert/sleeve)
150 grains additional insert weights
4 fletch heat vanes
Gt nick collars
Ip nocks

Cut to 28.5 c2c

Shot off a lift 33, 75# 29.5 inches

I don't know what my arrow speed is. I honestly couldn't care less. Most animals I shoot doesn't know it's shot til the arrow smacks the dirt opposite side. And none of them look complain that it's moving to slow from my freezer.

Everyone hates on the heavy stick guys. But I haven't found an animal in North America that stops that stick. From any angle. Period. Transfer the energy and they will drop in front of you 100% of the time.

And when I say I can't find an animal that stops it. I've shot, greater eland, elk, moose, American bison, black tail, white tail, black bear, American Impala, countless rodents, and hogs.

Before anyone wonders "hOwS hE gEt ThE tImE"

Your welcome for my service and thank you for paying me rhe rest of my life. I'm a disabled vet that literally doesn't have anything to do but how hunt.


Also, if anyone wants to question if the animals I hunt ever jump the string. They try. But the 106 (2024), 186 (2023) and 94 (2022) white tail deer that I've written off donating to the hunters of the hungry programs that I own land in (both Ohio and KY) would solidify any argument against anyone trying to think of some knuckle dragging argument why speed means accuracy. People have been killing with 1200 grain arrows and 40 pound bows thousands of years before we thought of drawing a bow.

Shoot the heavy stick. Or don't and question while the animal you just tried to take shrugging off your pixie stick off while you go hungry.




Also I would highly recommend vpa or tuffhead s7 tool steel broad heads. Sand paper them hoes from 80 grit to 2000 and you won't have to worry about a thing other then shot placement ever again.

I have been thinking about the Airstrikes, are you using the aluminum inserts?

Thank you for your service.

 

[Chimney7]

I shoot 175 grain iron will single bevel. I chose weight because that is what my bow shot the best. I used the ranch fairy test kit from ethics archery, and paper tuned all the different weights and picked the heaviest one that shot well. Which was 175.


That being said, my advice is go heavier. If they fly the same, and your shots are under 30 yards, heavier in my opinion, is better.

 

[dhoff545]

Magnus has single bevels that are reasonably priced. I'd try 'em out first and see how you like them before jumping up to grizzly stick or iron will or something. I lost my last Grizzly Stick head last year and have no plans to buy back in with how well the Magnus work.

 

[Weldabeast]

Vpa single bevels on sale lately

 

[ky pole slinger]

I have been thinking about the Airstrikes, are you using the aluminum inserts?

Thank you for your service.

Yes I am currently running the alu insert, haven't had an issue or a reason to change. Historically I've always ran naval brass or stainless but decided to try the factory components compared to ordering ethics, I had a literal pile of victory inserts from when I use to run the 204 ss they have. I just shaved the gpi from the stick replaced it up front and shot til the bow picked the weight. My first pins good for 30 point of aim/impact at a telephone poles weight.

My only experience I've had where I could question it, was over last year's Kentucky buck. But I haven't even spun the arrow it's the only one I dropped of 2 dozen.. Reason I say I could question it is, I blew threw front left shoulder, through the whole deer, blew through the back right hip, skipped off about 18 feet of dirt and lodged the entire collar in a white pine base. The shot was almost breast plate to breast plate we were less then 10 degrees off from being face to face, sub 20 yards, just repelled down my tree, picked my bow up and saw him long before he had a chance to react.

And thank you, it was a dream I got to make a reality. An honor to serve.