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Any good tracker will have his dog on a leash. And if the dog is on the trail of the deer, and jumps or boogers deer, you would have done the same with a good blood trail. The dog doesn’t just randomly walk around, it’s following the interdigital scent of the specific deer you shot. It’s a science. It will have no more impact than you grid searching for your deer.

Looking at distance/angle of shot, if you managed to hit it high below the spine and got full penetration, you hit both lungs. A calm deer, and a razor sharp broad head should have it dead within a couple/few hundred yards at most. I’ve not seen one of mine or hunting buddies run more than 200 yards with double lung hit from a sharp broadhead. If you hit it lower than you think, the possibility exists that it was a single lung. They can survive or run for miles on that.

High chest cavity hits can take a minute to start pumping, but they should. Bottom line - if you hit it like you say you did, the deer is dead, and not far away. A dog will make life easier. If it’s not an option, grid search. You should easily be able to cover the size area a double lung deer would die in.

Good luck!
Just checked, no blood tracker in the area or nearby, BUT he confirmed exactly as you say. If I can’t get back on her trail without mucking stuff up, I’ll see if the landowner’s dog will be available this afternoon. Thanks for the encouragement on the shot placement, I feel like it’s definitely a touch high and not low, based on the nock light as she bounded off. It looked to be about 2-3” below the backstrap.
 
@WHW mentioned an app for grid searching that will keep up with where you did or didn’t search. A good dog is awesome. A bad dog is still better than most people. You have to respect the owners wishes as well.
Thanks, I’ll check his post out. The ugly side of even great Permissions is that they’re are hard enough to get, even harder to keep, and I definitely want to keep them when I get them. This guy is extended family, too, so I absolutely can’t mess it up.
 
My awesome wife who has a really good eye found fresher blood near the blood from last night, making us believe the deer definitely doubled back. There were quite a few areas with blood on two directions, one red and sticky/runny still and one definitely dried, about a deer body’s width apart. There was more blood than last night overall, all on the same trail but on the opposite direction and wetter, but no blood off the blood trail for 50+ yards in any direction. Total search time has been over 5 hours, and we got into the thickest stuff we could get into (or that a deer could get into without leaving blood on stuff), and there was zero visible blood or carcass anywhere. She didn’t cross the main trail again, and she didn’t cross the 6’ barbed wire fence separating properties given the direction she was likely facing when we think she doubled back. There is good blood parallel, but we’re thinking there’s a trail she took that we just can’t see or discern. There’s a nagging part of me that keeps saying we walked right past her, but we tried to walk through every area that looked like it could have been her death bed off the blood trail. No dice. I believe she is dead, on the property I hunted, in a mess of something I might never get into.
My last hope is the landowner’s dog, if the deer’s not buzzard food right over the property line. Damn, I was starting to feel optimistic when we found that wetter, tacky blood. Now I’m trying to tell the other nagging voice, the one that says “hah-hah a**hole, you should just hang up your hunting boots for good”, to STFU.
 
Don't get disheartened and don't beat your self up. None of us intend for this to happen but I've been doing this thing of killing critters with pointy sticks for a long time and have Lord knows I've lost my share but in those losses I have come to realize few things.
1. A lot can go wrong from draw to release with a deer standing in front of you. Fact is their feet are not nailed to the ground like our targets.
2. Things are not always what you think as far as actual arrow impact goes. It just happens too fast to fully process in the heat of the moment.
3. The man that says he's never lost a deer has not shot enough of them, because it happens to us all sooner or later no matter the method of taking.
Keep your head up, shoot your bow, get your confidence back and be ready to make the shot when the next opportunity presents it's self.
 
Don't get disheartened and don't beat your self up. None of us intend for this to happen but I've been doing this thing of killing critters with pointy sticks for a long time and have Lord knows I've lost my share but in those losses I have come to realize few things.
1. A lot can go wrong from draw to release with a deer standing in front of you. Fact is their feet are not nailed to the ground like our targets.
2. Things are not always what you think as far as actual arrow impact goes. It just happens too fast to fully process in the heat of the moment.
3. The man that says he's never lost a deer has not shot enough of them, because it happens to us all sooner or later no matter the method of taking.
Keep your head up, shoot your bow, get your confidence back and be ready to make the shot when the next opportunity presents it's self.
Thank you sir. I appreciate the encouragement that I have to get back in the saddle as soon as I can. You’re right, I need to put myself in the deer again and make a good kill, and a good recovery. I feel discouraged now but I’m gonna have to man up and enjoy the woods again, get myself some venison. That’s why I started this in the first place. This thread is as good as any long-chair phsychotherapy.
 
Don’t take this the wrong way. But imo it’s irresponsible not to get a professional tracking dog on the job if you’re confident the deer is dead, it’s legal, and you can find someone available in the area. It may require a conversation between you, the landowner, and the tracker. When he meets the tracker, and sees the methodical approach, it will likely ease his mind.

Swallow your pride and contact one, and set up a call or sit down with the landowner.

Also, don’t quit hunting because you lost an animal. Anyone who’s been hunting a while and is any good at it, has had it happen to them. I wish I could tell you it will stop bothering you. But I still get sick over deer I wounded or lost 15 years ago. Like everything else in life, there is good with the bad.

Exhaust all efforts, then shove it down and move on to the next one.

Good luck! Head up!
 
Don’t take this the wrong way. But imo it’s irresponsible not to get a professional tracking dog on the job if you’re confident the deer is dead, it’s legal, and you can find someone available in the area. It may require a conversation between you, the landowner, and the tracker. When he meets the tracker, and sees the methodical approach, it will likely ease his mind.

Swallow your pride and contact one, and set up a call or sit down with the landowner.

Also, don’t quit hunting because you lost an animal. Anyone who’s been hunting a while and is any good at it, has had it happen to them. I wish I could tell you it will stop bothering you. But I still get sick over deer I wounded or lost 15 years ago. Like everything else in life, there is good with the bad.

Exhaust all efforts, then shove it down and move on to the next one.

Good luck! Head up!
I would definitely get a tracker out here (it’s a 40+ mile hike from his nearest service area) IF I didn’t have to get my wife and myself back to work tomorrow. It’s driving me nuts and absolutely sick that I don’t have an extra 24-48 hours to get back out there.
I did ask the landowner to try his own dog (he’s not against it at all, he had his dog go through some beginner trials) but I won’t be around to assist unfortunately. I’ll be in contact with him about trying UBT this weekend. The tracker I talked to on the phone was not super thrilled about tracking a possible single-lung, but I kept his phone number and have passed it on to the landowner as well.
Edit: I don’t know if I actually said this, but I’m 10 hours from home right now. If I was within 2 hours of home, I’d be out there before and after work.
 
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@DelaWhere_Arrow just consider that a learning experience. We all make mistakes some are just flukes , while some teach us a lesson. All you can do is try to figure out how to prevent it from happening again. Hunting a ten acre tract with anti hunting neighbors means you need to only take extremely high percentage shots. Then it can and will still happen.
 
I’m home, and after 10 hours of driving through the night with two little girls, two dogs, my wife, and a whole lot of everything-but-venison in my truck, I have had a lot of time to think and re-check and replay and reevaluate and reminisce and repulse over the situation.
Here are some things I know:
1. I had a seriously great time hunting this property, and had multiple opportunities at healthy, heavy deer. I missed a shot completely, severing the cambium layer of one very unfortunate chestnut tree, and three days of low-impact hunting and lots of observing deer later, I hit a donkey-sized nanny doe with a freshly sharpened broadhead at 18 yards while she munched on berries.
2. I felt very confident making that shot. Even after missing in the same tree, I felt great about a big deer at 18 yards in my 11:00 window, calm and unobstructed. I capped myself at 20 yards for this property, and practiced 24 hours before shooting her out to 25 and 30. I was calm during the shot and managed to make my shot process work, probably due to shooting the nerves out the day before. I was seeing 2-10 deer at a time as well as turkeys and all kinds of other animals, almost every time I hunted, and I took the best shot I felt I had presented to me, but that amount of stealth-heavy animal activity is enough to juice up even a mild-blood-pressure man like myself every time.
3. Nothing is certain. That’s nature. She can mess with whomever she chooses and doesn’t care about your feelings.
4. We did jump a deer while tracking the first night. I thought it was a buck based on size, but it could have been her because it was about 30-40 yards off last blood. The landowner crept to where we saw its flag but there was no blood or hair on anything within another 30 yard radius. It definitely went to the anti-hunter’s side, whether it was her or not. He is explicitly not allowed to recover deer from that property.
5. I will be following up with the landowner about not only getting a dog on the trail if it’s still possible, but also just for sharing his little piece of deer heaven with me. The property was beautiful, the scouting was on-point, and I didn’t expect to get any sort of intel since it was a free-permission deal, but he put me right in the deer every single day, and was super helpful in allowing access to his limited time and family’s home turf. He even told me I could shoot his own target bucks, if they came to my trees.
6. Boy, did I have some learning experiences.
7. You all have been awesome on this thread. I have a lot of mental BS to deal with, wrestling between “I suck” and “shut up, it’s not hunting if it’s always a success” and “I can’t wait to get back in the tree” and “do I really need to lose another deer” and “shut up, go get one back for the home team”. I appreciate each and every one of your words of encouragement, experience, explicit honesty, and sentiment.

Here are some things I think:
1. I’m no longer convinced I got a second lung. Definitely one, not sure about the other. I believe we may not have given her enough time to expire. After reviewing the map’s tracker and blood coordinates, as well as the branch-off areas we searched, I think she bedded down about halfway through the trail after crossing a muddy creek-bottom and shedding my fletchings. There’s blood “stains” there, as if she shifted her weight around trying to get comfortable. This is also the spot where my wife and I found what we thought was “fresher” blood, but I can’t confirm that it wasn’t just too shady and dewey to dry up in some areas. There’s no blood or hair in the surrounding area, and the creek is undisturbed along parallel banks. All good tracks are perpendicular, and the trails are well-worn.
2. If she did bed halfway, we likely pushed her after waiting only 90 minutes. We probably soft-bumped her from that bed, she trickled onto some other stuff, found a better bed, and perhaps clotted up while we moved upwind before hard-bumping to the neighbor’s or the next county.
3. I think I could have probably pushed into some thicker stuff a little harder, but there was a lot at risk in that. There was only about half an acre of disgustingly thick, undisturbed by deer trails cover on the main property and permitted-neighbor’s property that we didn’t zig-zag according to OnX, including the open field. The only areas we didn’t hit were rut-hunting stand areas, which were 100’s of yards from the shot anyway and have little deer activity yet, or areas that would have interfered with the neighbor’s cattle business (which did receive binocular observation). We checked the spypoint WiFi cams and she has not showed up as of this post.
4. Single lung hits are tough to judge. I was relatively certain after shooting that it was 1 lung, but some of the blood spatter was misleading. If it was a double lung, or if she survived with an arrow in her chest, I feel awful for losing her and will probably never get over it completely.
 
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My awesome wife who has a really good eye found fresher blood near the blood from last night, making us believe the deer definitely doubled back. There were quite a few areas with blood on two directions, one red and sticky/runny still and one definitely dried, about a deer body’s width apart.
This sounds like blood just coming out of both sides of the doe to me.
 
This sounds like blood just coming out of both sides of the doe to me.
That’s possible. she might have sent my broadhead poking through. There was no exit blood initially, and she bounded 60ish yards with an arrow in her before shedding my fletches.
Here is what’s left of my arrow, after 16 hours of drying:
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That’s possible. she might have sent my broadhead poking through. There was no exit blood initially, and she bounded 60ish yards with an arrow in her before shedding my fletches.
Here is what’s left of my arrow, after 16 hours of drying:
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So assuming you aren't shooting extremely short arrows, the broadhead definitely came out the other side, just not a complete pass through which would also mean you could have blood on the ground on either side of where the doe ran.
 
Deer are amazingly tough animals as long as they want to be. You’ll never know what happened for sure. It’s good to feel bad when you lose an animal. Just don’t dwell on it and go kill Another one.
 
Could you see the fletch end of the arrow sticking out of the shot side on impact? Or do you think that piece of arrow came out of the backside of the deer?
 
So assuming you aren't shooting extremely short arrows, the broadhead definitely came out the other side, just not a complete pass through which would also mean you could have blood on the ground on either side of where the doe ran.
I have a 26.5” draw. My arrows are sharp, but short. I do believe your words have merit. Didn’t see a LOT of blood on two sides, but some. That’s why we thought she doubled back, but it could be that it bled from the exit later.
 
Could you see the fletch end of the arrow sticking out of the shot side on impact? Or do you think that piece of arrow came out of the backside of the deer?
I watched a red Nockturnal bounce into the brush with her as far as I could see her go. It was left under a low branch. Pretty sure she dropped it off the impact/entry side.
 
Any good tracker will have his dog on a leash. And if the dog is on the trail of the deer, and jumps or boogers deer, you would have done the same with a good blood trail. The dog doesn’t just randomly walk around, it’s following the interdigital scent of the specific deer you shot. It’s a science. It will have no more impact than you grid searching for your deer.

Looking at distance/angle of shot, if you managed to hit it high below the spine and got full penetration, you hit both lungs. A calm deer, and a razor sharp broad head should have it dead within a couple/few hundred yards at most. I’ve not seen one of mine or hunting buddies run more than 200 yards with double lung hit from a sharp broadhead. If you hit it lower than you think, the possibility exists that it was a single lung. They can survive or run for miles on that.

High chest cavity hits can take a minute to start pumping, but they should. Bottom line - if you hit it like you say you did, the deer is dead, and not far away. A dog will make life easier. If it’s not an option, grid search. You should easily be able to cover the size area a double lung deer would die in.

Good luck!
the dog will make less impact than a human grid searching. I haven't seen deer have as much reaction to a dog as a human. My dog can stand in my field with a deer in it I however cannot
 
I watched a red Nockturnal bounce into the brush with her as far as I could see her go. It was left under a low branch. Pretty sure she dropped it off the impact/entry side.

The nock was sticking higher than you thought you hit because her shoulder blade broke arrow. It probably didn't completely split it, just cracked it, causing end of arrow to point up. A couple bounds finally worked the two pieces apart. I highly doubt you only hit one lung. And for that much blood to be on that arrow, she was pumping good, indicating good broadhead performance. Really odd given that, and not much blood coming out of off side - which could have been deflected slightly higher than entry.

I suppose it is possible, but highly unlikely, you put it through front shoulder blade, and ridges on top of spinal cord. But that likely would have at least shocked her and put her down momentarily. It would certainly match the blood trail you saw, or lack thereof.

I think you can rest easy knowing either A - she died very quickly, and your search was just unlucky. Or B - it was a flesh wound and she's just fine.

Do yourself a favor - take pictures of hair at impact, blood at impact and on the trail while still fresh, arrow while still fresh, etc. Those are very telling clues.
 
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