Clicker alternative?

[esta4d]

I've had target panic for over 20 years and a limb clicker has helped tremendously but would like a alternative. I've tried the one that goes on the grip that Tom Clum sells without much luck, I can't get it to click repeatedly. I've tried the Handy clicker it's ok but finicky about placement and don't see it working in some hunting situations where things happen fast. Haven't tried a sear because I don't want to drill or screw anything into any of my bows but maybe it's worth it??? Have any of you found a sound alternative?

 

[GCTerpfan]

Never used it but Omnivore quivers has a clicker tab.

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For those of you struggling with shot control and target panic like myself we have come up with one of the best functioning tools to bring back the confidence of a shooter. By placing your thumb on the clicker button as you increase tension while at full draw your thumb naturally presses to your fac

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[styksnstryngs]

Going to be honest with you. There's no really good replacement for a clicker. Every alternative forces you to choose when to make it go off, which defeats the purpose. You can have bad form and no back tension and still make a grip sear, tab sear or tab clicker go off. With a clicker, that thing ain't clicking unless you are actually expanding the bow to full draw. Is there a reason you want to find an alternative for the limb clicker?

 

[esta4d]

I talked to Mark about his tab clicker last year at the TBOF spring shoot, great idea but he didn't have a lefty available at the time.
The main reason for seeking an alternative is I hate having moving parts attached to my bow and they aren't very durable. Just something to break on the way into the woods or while going up a tree, done both.

 

[Xtreme007]

You could try feather to nose.
Fletch your arrows so when your anchored the feather almost touches nose. Then when you pull through shot it touches nose and you release then.

 

[styksnstryngs]

You could try feather to nose.
Fletch your arrows so when your anchored the feather almost touches nose. Then when you pull through shot it touches nose and you release then.

Oh yeah, that's the only kinda close replicate that I found, downside is that it only works if you have the anchor for it. Also, you can put super glue on the back of the feather for a clearer touch.

 

[esta4d]

You could try feather to nose.
Fletch your arrows so when your anchored the feather almost touches nose. Then when you pull through shot it touches nose and you release then.

I use that as one of my anchors, I'll think about about moving them forward and trying it. Thanks!
Thanks for the pro tip styksnstryngs!

 

[Scott F]

Look up what Joel Turner does - he creates an air pocket between the roof of his mouth and tongue. When he establishes his shot and is ready to execute the shot he applies pressure until the 'bubble' pops which represents his 'click' of a clicker.

*caveat - I tried this just the other day and sent an arrow over my target and into my neighbor's yard. It is NOT as easy as it seemed watching him on YouTube... hahaha

 

[raisins]

Look up what Joel Turner does - he creates an air pocket between the roof of his mouth and tongue. When he establishes his shot and is ready to execute the shot he applies pressure until the 'bubble' pops which represents his 'click' of a clicker.

*caveat - I tried this just the other day and sent an arrow over my target and into my neighbor's yard. It is NOT as easy as it seemed watching him on YouTube... hahaha

now people are at home trying this....i can't make a seal and create the bubble

 

[Scott F]

Hahaha
My only advice is simply to be close to your target with a BIG backstop if you try this with an arrow nocked!

The concept was great and he (like he always does) explained it extremely well - but I have a simple brain and having not shot in quite some time I wasn't ready for everything that was going on: physically, mentally, and well, any other "ly" that was happening.

I can assure you I wasn't happi"ly" looking for that dadgum arrow...

 

[Scott F]

now people are at home trying this....i can't make a seal and create the bubble

I don't think it is a literal bubble, but the way I understood it, you simply capture some air on the roof of your mouth. Apply pressure until it 'pops' (my description) rearward to the opening of your throat.

 

[styksnstryngs]

The issue I take with a lot of the clicker alternative pseudotriggers that Joel pushes is that a clicker isn't supposed to be used to involuntarily trigger a release, like a trigger break would do. Any good Olympic recurve archer will have the ability to pull through the clicker and not even flinch if they think the shot would have been a bad one- that's what it means to have control of your shot. Clickers are used to make sure that back tension is being used, and tricks like grip or tab sears or bubble in the mouth don't enforce proper back tension at all. What they can do is they give someone who has no control over their shot a false idea of having control over their shot, when in reality they are still unable to release when they know the shot will be good. You see a lot of guys on various Facebook groups posting videos of them shooting with some form of clicker alternative and they're collapsing before the release, but since there's a cue to shoot, they shoot. That's not gaining control, that's handing it off to something that has no real connection to your shot process.

 

[GCTerpfan]

The issue I take with a lot of the clicker alternative pseudotriggers that Joel pushes is that a clicker isn't supposed to be used to involuntarily trigger a release, like a trigger break would do. Any good Olympic recurve archer will have the ability to pull through the clicker and not even flinch if they think the shot would have been a bad one- that's what it means to have control of your shot. Clickers are used to make sure that back tension is being used, and tricks like grip or tab sears or bubble in the mouth don't enforce proper back tension at all. What they can do is they give someone who has no control over their shot a false idea of having control over their shot, when in reality they are still unable to release when they know the shot will be good. You see a lot of guys on various Facebook groups posting videos of them shooting with some form of clicker alternative and they're collapsing before the release, but since there's a cue to shoot, they shoot. That's not gaining control, that's handing it off to something that has no real connection to your shot process.

While I agree with you on the importance of back tension, the entire premise of Joel's theory is that the clicker is supposed to trigger an involuntary shot. I'm not sure how much you have listened to Joel explain his idea but, my understanding of his theory is that you don't want to be able to release 'on command' you want the release to be subconscious and you want it to be triggered by something other than your brain saying "release now". I don't really follow any Olympic archery or tournament shooting but, I think there are more tournament archers subscribing to Joel's theory every year.

With all that said, I spent a full summer trying to train myself to shoot by using a limb clicker as a psycho trigger. My shooting did improve when I would do it correctly but, my biggest problem was I would anticipate the clicker going off on the important shots. What has worked for me is setting the clicker to go off when I first get to anchor and start adding back tension. After I 'feel' the clicker (because I have basically silenced the clicker) I then focus on adding more back tension until the shot breaks.

 

[Scott F]

The issue I take with a lot of the clicker alternative pseudotriggers that Joel pushes is that a clicker isn't supposed to be used to involuntarily trigger a release, like a trigger break would do. Any good Olympic recurve archer will have the ability to pull through the clicker and not even flinch if they think the shot would have been a bad one- that's what it means to have control of your shot. Clickers are used to make sure that back tension is being used, and tricks like grip or tab sears or bubble in the mouth don't enforce proper back tension at all. What they can do is they give someone who has no control over their shot a false idea of having control over their shot, when in reality they are unable to release when they know the shot will be good. You see a lot of guys on various Facebook groups posting videos of them shooting with some form of clicker alternative and they're collapsing before the release, but since there's a cue to shoot, they shoot. That's not gaining control, that's handing it off to something that has no real connection to your shot process.

Wait a minute, you are inferring that I could lose all control of my shot execution and shoot an arrow over my target...

Hahaha, yup. That was me!

 

[styksnstryngs]

While I agree with you on the importance of back tension, the entire premise of Joel's theory is that the clicker is supposed to trigger an involuntary shot. I'm not sure how much you have listened to Joel explain his idea but, my understanding of his theory is that you don't want to be able to release 'on command' you want the release to be subconscious and you want it to be triggered by something other than your brain saying "release now". I don't really follow any Olympic archery or tournament shooting but, I think there are more tournament archers subscribing to Joel's theory every year.

With all that said, I spent a full summer trying to train myself to shoot by using a limb clicker as a psycho trigger. My shooting did improve when I would do it correctly but, my biggest problem was I would anticipate the clicker going off on the important shots. What has worked for me is setting the clicker to go off when I first get to anchor and start adding back tension. After I 'feel' the clicker (because I have basically silenced the clicker) I then focus on adding more back tension until the shot breaks.

I've listened to a lot of Joel's stuff, but the idea that you're not supposed to know when the bow goes off is, at a high level, just not acceptable. If you feel like you're flinching and you can't hold your shot when the clicker goes off, you're not fixing target panic, you're putting a band-aid on it. There is NO easy fix to target panic. A clicker is not a fix to target panic. Fixing target panic takes a tremendous amount of introspective mental work and blank-baling. Incan almost guarantee you that someone relying on popping an air bubble in their cheek as a trigger to shoot will fall apart catastrophically at some point in a stressful scenario. The issue I have with that is that they think it's because they "weren't determined" or something. No, it's because you never went close to trying to solve the root of the problem, so it was always there and just as strong as ever, waiting for the bandaid to fall off so it could ruin you again. (Obviously everything I say should be taken with a grain of salt and as my opinion alone, but having had extremely bad target panic that ruined a few seasons of competition for me when I was on track for a breakout season, I'm kind of annoyed/wary when it comes to pseudo-solutions.)

 

[JSEXTON23]

I've had target panic for over 20 years and a limb clicker has helped tremendously but would like a alternative. I've tried the one that goes on the grip that Tom Clum sells without much luck, I can't get it to click repeatedly. I've tried the Handy clicker it's ok but finicky about placement and don't see it working in some hunting situations where things happen fast. Haven't tried a sear because I don't want to drill or screw anything into any of my bows but maybe it's worth it??? Have any of you found a sound alternative?

I believe the solution you are looking for doesn’t exist in a mechanical form. Clickers of any type will generally not solve your target panic. I implore you to stop shooting arrows and groups, and start performing drills. Draw holds and proper blind bale work. Not blank bale, blind bale. Draw, aim, close your eyes, continue to execute your shot, then release. Do not release immediately upon closing your eyes.

All clickers can be manipulated, without proper back tension, to go off. So I don’t buy into any of the above rhetoric on limb clickers being superior in that they force you to use proper back tension. You can just as easily arm draw through your clicker.

Do yourself a favor and stop shooting and start drilling. Drills are critical.

 

[Petrichor]

I with @JSEXTON23 on this one.