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You could be right. But I gambled with the cheaper ones and am glad I did. I probably would not have paid the WE price... probably. I did buy a bag tho, lol.

Gotcha lol. Glad they’re working for you. I got the WE steps and waited 15 weeks for them. Fortunately I ordered them in like July. Yeah they were a little salty. I didn’t know about the primal V’s until way later, though I always thought the WE steps looked familiar but never knew why. I have them now and they work great for me so. Might as well stick with them at this point I guess.


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So I went all in on saddle hunting this year after being frustrated with mobile stand hunting for the past few years. I have used just about every climbing method so far and have used a handful of different saddles. You mentioned the Trophyline and for me it works out fine plus comes with accessory pouches you might have to pay extra for with a different manufacturer. It takes a bit of time to figure out how to make it comfortable through adjusting tether height etc. I also like the Wild Edge steps but they do have a learning curve. I would use sticks which I was more comfortable with when I was frustrated with the Wild Edge steps. Gaffs/Spikes were not for me because they were too sketchy in thick barked trees and scarred the trees pretty bad if going up and down the same tree several times. Bolts/Carbon rod holes froze or grew shut leaving me with carrying the drill and re-drilling nearly every time I went in. Screw in steps are clumsy and cumbersome. I have Lone Wolf sticks (one set up for one sticking) and the Wild Edge Steps and will use one of the three depending on how deep I'm going into the woods and the tree I'm setting up in. The shortest learning curve will probably be sticks and they can be had for under $100. You can also add step aiders to your sticks which would allow you to get away with less sticks/weight for the same height. If you decide to try one sticking in the future, you'd already have the sticks bought too.
Thank you for your input, which saddles did you try and which is your preferred?
 
Thank you for your input, which saddles did you try and which is your preferred?
I tried the Mantis, JX3 and Trophyline Ambush Pro and Lite along with a fleece/rock climbing harness and a diy "Wraith". I could not get comfortable in the Mantis for longer sits but it was the lightest commercially available one I tried by far. I tried the JX3 but there was just too much going on for me to like it. The black straps were hard to see in the dark, packing it in then taking it off to get ready to climb the tree and trying to haul things on it were a pain too (I like a backpack for longer sits). The JX3 was comfortable but my legs went numb in it after awhile and sitting up was kind of a pain in it too. The Trophyline is what I use now and it took a bit to get "dialed" in but is well built (a little on the heavier side) comfortable for me after a bit of fiddling, decent price and comes with the accessory pouches. The buckles on the Trophyline could definitely be better but work for what I need it for. I have both the Lite and Pro and I believe the cut is exactly the same. I really don't notice a weight difference in either and if there is, it's negligible. The fleece/rock climbing harness is the most comfortable and cheapest but I like the idea of a 1 piece saddle a little better. The Wraith is super lightweight and minimalist and I use that if I'm going through thick brush or deeper in the woods (I can fit it inside of my Wild Edge step bag) but isn't good for longer sits.
 
I do prefer the arborist saddles but it's not much of a cost savings, but they do have lineman loops and a 'bridge's connection. What does one stick and SRT look like.

Well I will one stick if I can’t put a rope across a branch. Pine trees are a good example. When I one stick I start out with my foot loop as an aider for the first stick placement. Then I reach up as high as I can and place my tether. I then remove the stick and SRT up to the top of the tether line and place the stick. Rinse and repeat.

If I was more flexible perhaps I wouldn’t bother with the SRT/stick combo.


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I do prefer the arborist saddles but it's not much of a cost savings, but they do have lineman loops and a 'bridge's connection. What does one stick and SRT look like.

For me being in Canada it’s about half the price I think.


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I tried the Mantis, JX3 and Trophyline Ambush Pro and Lite along with a fleece/rock climbing harness and a diy "Wraith". I could not get comfortable in the Mantis for longer sits but it was the lightest commercially available one I tried by far. I tried the JX3 but there was just too much going on for me to like it. The black straps were hard to see in the dark, packing it in then taking it off to get ready to climb the tree and trying to haul things on it were a pain too (I like a backpack for longer sits). The JX3 was comfortable but my legs went numb in it after awhile and sitting up was kind of a pain in it too. The Trophyline is what I use now and it took a bit to get "dialed" in but is well built (a little on the heavier side) comfortable for me after a bit of fiddling, decent price and comes with the accessory pouches. The buckles on the Trophyline could definitely be better but work for what I need it for. I have both the Lite and Pro and I believe the cut is exactly the same. I really don't notice a weight difference in either and if there is, it's negligible. The fleece/rock climbing harness is the most comfortable and cheapest but I like the idea of a 1 piece saddle a little better. The Wraith is super lightweight and minimalist and I use that if I'm going through thick brush or deeper in the woods (I can fit it inside of my Wild Edge step bag) but isn't good for longer sits.

Not to capture the thread completely, but how did you get the Trophyline quiet?

I got one for Christmas and took it out today, and the metal buckle that the bridge runs through on the left side is driving me crazy wIth its ringing when I walk in. Thing is, I haven’t got a clue what to do about it. Maybe lock the crossbar In with some wide cable ties?

Otherwise the saddle seems fine so far - have been hunting out of a Aero Evolution for the past 5 years or so, and while this is a great saddle the lack of Molle (or any other) attachment points was getting to me...
 
Not to capture the thread completely, but how did you get the Trophyline quiet?

I got one for Christmas and took it out today, and the metal buckle that the bridge runs through on the left side is driving me crazy wIth its ringing when I walk in. Thing is, I haven’t got a clue what to do about it. Maybe lock the crossbar In with some wide cable ties?

Otherwise the saddle seems fine so far - have been hunting out of a Aero Evolution for the past 5 years or so, and while this is a great saddle the lack of Molle (or any other) attachment points was getting to me...
On the old Trophylines, the bridge was the buckle and waist belt as I understand it. You have to cinch your waist belt tight (I put it above my hips over my bellybutton) then cinch the bridge down tight and loop the remaining bridge strap through one of the lineman's loops. I leave it like this until I'm at hunting height then adjust my bridge to hook to my tether. I carry a decent amount of junk in my pouches too and only have to periodically stop to re-tighten the waist belt if needed. A lot of guys have replaced the waist belt buckle with the Cobra 2" sew or no sew version.
 
On the old Trophylines, the bridge was the buckle and waist belt as I understand it. You have to cinch your waist belt tight (I put it above my hips over my bellybutton) then cinch the bridge down tight and loop the remaining bridge strap through one of the lineman's loops. I leave it like this until I'm at hunting height then adjust my bridge to hook to my tether. I carry a decent amount of junk in my pouches too and only have to periodically stop to re-tighten the waist belt if needed. A lot of guys have replaced the waist belt buckle with the Cobra 2" sew or no sew version.

Hi,

Thanks for getting back, much appreciated!

So do I understand you correctly that your Trophylines look different than the one I just bought in that the bridge and the waist belt were the same thing?

Here is what mine looks like - the waist belt is on top, and the bridge is on the bottom, with the annoying buckle to the right:

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I have not found a way to adjust the bridge length, am I using this all wrong? The way it looked to me is that the doubled strap is the bridge, and it’s length is what it is. In principle that’s fine for me, I can always adjust my tie-in by moving my attachment up or down the tether.

What bugs me is the way the bridge loops through the buckle on the right side - the center part of the buckle (where the bridge is looping over) is moving and rattling quite a bit - makes me feel like I am wearing a cow bell walking in.

This is no longer a problem once I am attached to the tree - under load the thing doesn’t move any more.

I agree that the waist belt loosening while walking in can be annoying - I will look Into replacing it with a Cobra, thanks for the idea!
 
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Hi,

Thanks for getting back, much appreciated!

So do I understand you correctly that your Trophylines look different than the one I just bought in that the bridge and the waist belt were the same thing?

Here is what mine looks like - the waist belt is on top, and the bridge is on the bottom, with the annoying buckle to the right:

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I have not found a way to adjust the bridge length, am I using this all wrong? The way it looked to me is that the doubled strap is the bridge, and it’s length is what it is. In principle that’s fine for me, I can always adjust my tie-in by moving my attachment up or down the tether.

What bugs me is the way the bridge loops through the buckle on the right side - the center part of the buckle (where the bridge is looping over) is moving and rattling quite a bit - makes me feel like I am wearing a cow bell walking in.

This is no longer a problem once I am attached to the tree - under load the thing doesn’t move any more.

I agree that the waist belt loosening while walking in can be annoying - I will look Into replacing it with a Cobra, thanks for the idea!
Same saddle. Separate the top webbing from the bottom on the bridge and pull the top away from you to cinch it down. I pull with my right hand and hold pressure onto the bridge buckle with my left to cinch it. The bridge acts like a second waist belt when walking in and used to be the only waist belt on the old Trophylines along with some suspenders.
 
That makes a lot of sense once you see it, thanks very much! Nothing of this was mentioned in the instructions that came with the saddle...

I’ll have to play around with how I can route and attach the bridge slack to the back of the saddle after looping it through the LB loops - I have a clip from DanO to hang sticks while climbing and a pack on each side that I’ll have to work around, but I’ll figure it out.

Thanks for the help!
 
That makes a lot of sense once you see it, thanks very much! Nothing of this was mentioned in the instructions that came with the saddle...

I’ll have to play around with how I can route and attach the bridge slack to the back of the saddle after looping it through the LB loops - I have a clip from DanO to hang sticks while climbing and a pack on each side that I’ll have to work around, but I’ll figure it out.

Thanks for the help!
Also, a good way to make the actual waist belt not move while walking in is to cinch it down, then wrap it tightly around itself. Once I figured this out, this thing is money. I can walk for miles and it never moves.
 
I'm leaning away from the spurs as they're probably not legal, but the convenience of 'just walking up a tree' was unbeatable to not think about. I have looked up h2, but what benifits are you referring to?

Thank you for your advice!
Comfort, design (Have heard it is referred to as a "Kestrel Clone"), less fiddle factor as the saying goes. Just seems preferred over Tropyline by most who have faced this choice. I suggest looking up a member close by on the saddle map link here or attend a meetup or Tethered Teach and Train session and test what members are using.
 
FYI: There is a difference between primal steps vs WE steps. The primal steps use a buckle strap fastening system, whereas the WE steps use rope - less weight. Primal steps also do not include a carrying bag. If you convert the primal steps to WE type rope, you'll see the cost becomes relatively the same as WE steps. Another possible factor to consider is WE steps is a Veteran owned company.
Hope this helps.
 
FYI: There is a difference between primal steps vs WE steps. The primal steps use a buckle strap fastening system, whereas the WE steps use rope - less weight. Primal steps also do not include a carrying bag. If you convert the primal steps to WE type rope, you'll see the cost becomes relatively the same as WE steps. Another possible factor to consider is WE steps is a Veteran owned company.
Hope this helps.
I bought primal v steps through sippy sale 40$ for 8 of them! Great price! But it took a month for them to even process the payment that was a month ago, still no sign of them it's been about 3 months with no communication, wondering if I threw away 40$. Couldn't beat the price. We will see how the quality is.
 
Hello,
I've combed through a lot of the threads, but just wanted to see what advice y'all had for me. Just for reference of my budget I am a sole provider for my wife and two kids. Every two weeks I get about 50$ to spend on whatever I want. I've figured I need about 350 or so to get a saddle and climbing method. I'm not terribly intrested in the rock harness and sit drag mods, most land around the 90$ range I believe and sacrifice the benifits of a manufactured saddle. Plus I don't have a sewing machine. I'd like to get the trophyline ambush pro (159$) it's the cheapest on the market comes with two pouches and is the original saddle company which is cool. Seems like the best value to me. Not many people talking about them and reviewing or comparing them yet though like tethrd and aerohunter. I'll most likely grab two hunter safety system ropes straps for my LM and tether.

For climbing method I'm leaning towards drt, wild edge steps or gaphs.

Drt: I've priced deep woods rope at rope supply for .9$ a foot. So at most 90$ for 100' of rope. A 30$ hawk seat for a platform and a 15$ throw ball kit and I should be good to go. Total ~135$

Wild edge steps: 6 steps is 110$ with the bag, knaider and swaider 45$ giving me 155$ total ready to go.

tree spikes range from 130-150 plus a platform ~160-180$
I hunt public land in Wisconsin and the rules say no damage to the tree, such as screw ins, but doesn't mention anything else or define damage. so I'm not sure if these are 100% legal, or my climber I used this year that pierced the bark 12 times every time I set the platforms climbing up.

Is there anything I'm missing or any advice you guys have for me, I'm willing to put in the time and save up the money for the right equipment.
There's a subject tab below this one called SH Member Meetups. Check out the WI thread. They are trying to arrange a time and date to meet and exchange ideas and try out various options. Might be helpful in your search to find the best and least expensive set up that fits you.
 
I bought primal v steps through sippy sale 40$ for 8 of them! Great price! But it took a month for them to even process the payment that was a month ago, still no sign of them it's been about 3 months with no communication, wondering if I threw away 40$. Couldn't beat the price. We will see how the quality is.
Man, I think you may have lost your money. I saw that site as well. When I dug deeper into it, I saw it was a site offering clothing, jewelry, and related items, which then made me very suspicious that the site was hacked by someone offering the primal steps "deal".
If you go on sippysale.com and search for primal steps, nothing comes up. If you paid by credit card, call the company and cancel the transaction.
BTW: I like your user ID, wink wink.
 
There's a subject tab below this one called SH Member Meetups. Check out the WI thread. They are trying to arrange a time and date to meet and exchange ideas and try out various options. Might be helpful in your search to find the best and least expensive set up that fits you.
When I said below this one, I meant below the Saddle Information For New Users tab, not this specific one. Hope that didn't confuse you.
 
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