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CSI Saddlehunter 2021-2022

DEER: Spike buck, prolly close to 100lbs, 2ish years old

WEAPON: Bowtech Realm SS 65lbs draw weight 31” draw length, 250 spine Black Eagle carnivore arrows with aae vanes 200gr ethics inserts and 200gr grizzlystik samurai broadheads for about 650gr total weight. I was totally confident before today but after today I’d even hunt predators, xenomorphs or Sasquatch with this setup.

SHOT SITUATON: about 15ft up in a friends stand(hey hey now, I don’t judge you guys) facing west, slight north->south wind prolly 3mph with a drizzle, clear shot, deer was about 15 yards this was at 0940. Buck came from the west from a swamp trail and crossed the transition zone from swamp to forest still heading eastward toward my stand location, straight at me. I drew when his head was lowered and had to hold for a couple minutes as he was facing right at me. He walked right up below my stand and then u turned and headed west for about 10 yards, then wheeled south presenting me with a broadside.

SHOT REACTION: I released my arrow and it just disappeared inside the buck, his left side at c5 like a laser, then popped back out again which I thought was weird. The buck jumped like i stuck a hot poker up his butt and literally ran on his hind legs back into the swamp(this is important later). I gathered my kit and settled in.

RECOVERY PROCESS: I waited about 40 minutes, didn’t want to wait too much longer as the rain was starting to pick up and that combined with swamp would make for a difficult tracking job. Climbed down and found my arrow and it was broken in half. Pics later. No other half of arrow was located. Immediate blood trail headed north east. I started after the buck slowly finding prodigious blood huge drops and spray so I figured I’d find him quick. After 20 minutes and a ton of blood I crested a slight rise and found him bedded down which made me feel extra awful. I nocked and loosed another arrow and ended his suffering. He traveled probably 100 yards through swamp and thick briars.

FORENSIC ANALYSIS: here’s where things get interesting. Remember when I said he ran off literally on his hind legs? Well when my arrow entered his left side he must have turned just enough that my arrow hit his right shoulder, dislocating and shattering it in the process. The impact must have fractured my arrow or a combo of the above and the back half fell out the buck. Got the liver and left lung as it entered and must have banged around inside cuz the organs were tore up.

TAKEAWAYS: always expect deer to do the unexpected. I’m always amazed at the damage a deer can take and keep going. Also, slow down and wait longer. Had I waited longer the buck may have expired on his own. Had his shoulder not been toast he may have run even further. Even if you have tons of blood like I did, might be a good idea to back out and wait a bit.
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DEER: Spike buck, prolly close to 100lbs, 2ish years old

WEAPON: Bowtech Realm SS 65lbs draw weight 31” draw length, 250 spine Black Eagle carnivore arrows with aae vanes 200gr ethics inserts and 200gr grizzlystik samurai broadheads for about 650gr total weight. I was totally confident before today but after today I’d even hunt predators, xenomorphs or Sasquatch with this setup.

SHOT SITUATON: about 15ft up in a friends stand(hey hey now, I don’t judge you guys) facing west, slight north->south wind prolly 3mph with a drizzle, clear shot, deer was about 15 yards this was at 0940. Buck came from the west from a swamp trail and crossed the transition zone from swamp to forest still heading eastward toward my stand location, straight at me. I drew when his head was lowered and had to hold for a couple minutes as he was facing right at me. He walked right up below my stand and then u turned and headed west for about 10 yards, then wheeled south presenting me with a broadside.

SHOT REACTION: I released my arrow and it just disappeared inside the buck, his left side at c5 like a laser, then popped back out again which I thought was weird. The buck jumped like i stuck a hot poker up his butt and literally ran on his hind legs back into the swamp(this is important later). I gathered my kit and settled in.

RECOVERY PROCESS: I waited about 40 minutes, didn’t want to wait too much longer as the rain was starting to pick up and that combined with swamp would make for a difficult tracking job. Climbed down and found my arrow and it was broken in half. Pics later. No other half of arrow was located. Immediate blood trail headed north east. I started after the buck slowly finding prodigious blood huge drops and spray so I figured I’d find him quick. After 20 minutes and a ton of blood I crested a slight rise and found him bedded down which made me feel extra awful. I nocked and loosed another arrow and ended his suffering. He traveled probably 100 yards through swamp and thick briars.

FORENSIC ANALYSIS: here’s where things get interesting. Remember when I said he ran off literally on his hind legs? Well when my arrow entered his left side he must have turned just enough that my arrow hit his right shoulder, dislocating and shattering it in the process. The impact must have fractured my arrow or a combo of the above and the back half fell out the buck. Got the liver and left lung as it entered and must have banged around inside cuz the organs were tore up.

TAKEAWAYS: always expect deer to do the unexpected. I’m always amazed at the damage a deer can take and keep going. Also, slow down and wait longer. Had I waited longer the buck may have expired on his own. Had his shoulder not been toast he may have run even further. Even if you have tons of blood like I did, might be a good idea to back out and wait a bit.
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"TAKEAWAYS: always expect deer to do the unexpected. I’m always amazed at the damage a deer can take and keep going. Also, slow down and wait longer. Had I waited longer the buck may have expired on his own. Had his shoulder not been toast he may have run even further. Even if you have tons of blood like I did, might be a good idea to back out and wait a bit."

Your takeaway is so important. Time after time through my own experience, others such as yours, and videos online, I'm reminded that deer can be extremely tough SOBs. If you don't see them go down, question everything. I completely get if it's warm or you have a ton of coyotes around but a dead deer is going to stay dead and if you can afford to wait it's not going to hurt.
 
Time after time through my own experience, others such as yours, and videos online, I'm reminded that deer can be extremely tough SOBs. If you don't see them go down, question everything. I completely get if it's warm or you have a ton of coyotes around but a dead deer is going to stay dead and if you can afford to wait it's not going to hurt.

They are absolutely some of the toughest creatures out there in my opinion. I really respect them a great deal.
 
They are absolutely some of the toughest creatures out there in my opinion. I really respect them a great deal.
I grew up hunting other game but now that I hunt whitetail I really don’t want to hunt anything else. They’re so tough and with their skill set and senses they make for a challenge IMO
 
Deer - South Eastern PA whitetail buck - live weight around 190lbs- 137" 8 point

Arrow - Predator 6075 - 475 TAW - Tooth of an arrow XL(last year used the 1" version with lots of success) 125 grain - 40 grain insert - vesta lighted nock - arrow speed around 245 fps

Bow - tuned @lancaster archery - Prime 60lbs - 26.5" draw length, no peep just a kisser and bowmars nose button. 2nd season with no peep. Really prefer it!

Shot Situation- Saw a large deer at 200 yards but couldn't tell how nice. Finally saw him clearly at 45 yards and realized he was a shooter. This was my first hunt on this private land this season. I was low for me at about 14' to my platform but the tree had plenty of cover.

Shot reaction - I had him at 16 yards facing me until a doe was getting chased by a small buck 20 yards from him. The Shooter buck then went to 30 yards broadside. Not my preferred distance(prefer Settled pin, released arrow and the nock lit up. Arrow flight was perfect with the XL head. The arrow dropped into the vital V- or C3 on the deer diagram. (A bit more forward then I would prefer). I instantly thought I hit the heart. Arrow didn't pass through. It Hit the offside leg. Had about 15" of penatration before arrow was snapped.

Recovery - Big mule kick! Watched buck run to 50 and lost sight. He stopped and then I heard him crash or run through the woods. It turned out he crashed. The tooth of an arrow head was buried in offside bone. I had twist and pull to remove from offside bone.

I then crushed the doe at 16 yards because she didn't know what happened.
She ran 20 yards and fell over.





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I do believe she didn't know what hit her because it was a fixed head tooth of an arrow as opposed to a mechanical. She stopped at 20 yards with a double lung hit. Stood there for 10 seconds as opposed to running 80 more yards. Then flopped over. The visible hit on the doe is the exit.
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DEER: #4 - A doe that identified as a buck, 120 -130lbs

WEAPON: PSE Evoke31 - 29"dl set at 62#'s shooting 585gr taw at 236fps, GT Hunter Pro 300 spine, 150gr Ethics ss inserts, Kudu Point 125gr single bevel, 3 Blazer vanes, 18.5%foc, EZ-V sight. Never was interested in calculating momentum or kinetic energy so I don't have those numbers. If I draw on it, it dies confidence.

SHOT SITUATON: Bright sunny day at 11:50, I was eating a late breakfast in the kitchen and overheard my daughter in the den say to my wife "Oh, look at the two deer in the backyard..." Yeah I know it's not "hunting" but they taste just as good and I don't mind an easy one every so often. When I got outside the two deer were walking just inside the tree line a couple of feet in elevation higher than me at 38-40 yards broadside, relaxed and totally unaware of the danger they were in. The first one cleared the tree line and turned downhill slightly quartering to me...

SHOT REACTION: When the arrow hit, the deer immediately pulled up it's right leg and turned to walk up the hillside but it couldn't move too well so it proceeded to walk in the general direction it was facing for roughly 20 yards and collapsed in view .

RECOVERY PROCESS: I had my son come outside to let him get experience following a blood trail as it's something he's never done before. Without knowing where the deer was and with a few tips from me on how to track and what to look for he was able to follow the blood to the deer. As a reward I had him drag it to my sugar shack, hang it and start to skin it too.

FORENSIC ANALYSIS: The arrow entered just in front of the right front leg at the fourth rib, went clean through the heart and exited out the seventh rib and buried in the dirt. The broadhead cutting edge needed to be touched up with my diamond file but I think the damage was due to contact made with the rocky ground it drove into. It cleaned up nicely, spins true and is back in the quiver.

TAKEAWAYS: Only upon examining the deer up close did I realize it was a young buck with 1.5" spikes. Had I known this I would have waited for a shot on the second deer, which was most likely a doe, because I like to keep to a self imposed minimum antler restriction of 4 points to prevent me from whacking every single deer that crosses my path.
This is the fourth deer I've taken with this set up and I'm very happy with the terminal performance, namely the complete pass throughs on every deer with this particular one being the most satisfying because of the path the arrow took through the body and the distance. It's a big change from a few years ago when I had trouble getting an arrow completely through a deer at 20 yards and now I'm blowing through them at 40 yards.

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DEER: Doe, ~150lbs

WEAPON: Mathews Triax 60lbs 25in DL, DCA micro diameter arrows 475 grain 20% FOC, Exodus 125. Been shooting this bow for a few years and can do fist size groups at 60-80 yards, so very confident.

SHOT SITUATON: 17 feet up tree, doe was at 41 yards quartering to on my strong side. She spotted me so on alert and stomping. Clear shot, placed pin at C3 left side of doe to exit back of opposite lung.

SHOT REACTION: Doe ducked and turned almost 180 before arrow impact!

RECOVERY PROCESS: LOTS of blood, didn’t go 10 yards

FORENSIC ANALYSIS: Arrow hit 8B right side with half sticking out bc hit the opposite pelvic bone. Femoral artery.

TAKEAWAYS: No matter how confident one is with long shots, cannot beat a deer’s reaction especially when on alert. I was lucky to get a lethal hit, but could be a very long tracking/recovery job. Lower poundage and dl, heavier arrows don’t help chrono speed.
 
DEER: roughly 100lb doe

WEAPON: Hickory Creek Mini Vertical Crossbow. Shooting a 380 grain arrow (100 grain Chinese Rage Hypodermic knockoff and 50 grain brass insert up front, 23" shaft, 300 spine, 8.6gpi, 14.7% FOC) at 324fps average generating right at 90 ft/lbs of KE "at the muzzle". Topped with a Burris FastFire III reflex site. High confidence in the setup. Have killed probably 10 or so deer plus hogs and 2 coyotes with it. I personally set up my own stuff and had faith that everything was functioning as it should and was "tuned."

SHOT SITUATON: 8ft high, 20 yards out on broadside deer. Deer was casually ambling through the woods at a steady pace so I stopped her with a mouth bleat.

SHOT REACTION: deer turned tail and ran back roughly the way she came, but to thick cover. Actually headed straight to where I had bumped 2 deer in thick cover the morning prior and expired maybe 30 yards from where I jumped them up.

RECOVERY PROCESS: easy 55 yard tracking job. Not a lot of blood, but sufficient and regularly placed. Since she was an early kill and I was close to home, I let Amos (9 month lab pup) work the trail. He located first blood without my help and was able to work the trail in about 6 minutes.

FORENSIC ANALYSIS: shot was a bit high. Went through both shoulder blades and exited. High double lung that didn't bleed much until I grabbed her by the legs to sling her onto my hitch rack. All the blood was in the lungs.

TAKEAWAYS: I think people underestimate mechanicals. This one destroyed 2 shoulder blades and most likely a rib or two and had no bent blades or damaged ferrule. Blades were chipped and dull, but I feel confident you could replace them and rock on if you wanted to.

Also, deer shot in the lungs die.
 
DEER: Doe, 90 lb field dressed (my first deer with a bow and on opening day, early October)

WEAPON: '21 Bear Species LD 30" DL, 60 lb draw ~320 fps. Easton 6.5 mm carbon 340 spine, unknown hand-me-down tri blade broadhead (100gr); trophy ridge 4 pin site, tru ball wrist strap release

SHOT SITUATON: 17' high in the tree, doe crossed left to right at a distance of about 24 yards presenting full broadside view, wind was calm, full morning light (0840 hrs early October), heavy overcast and moderate rain, unobstructed shot, strong side shot at about 33.5 degree down angle

SHOT REACTION: flinched and kicked back legs before running off into swamp with two other does that were in this group

RECOVERY PROCESS: Recovered arrow (clean through), pretty light blood trail that was lost at swamp edge 20' from impact, followed last visual heading as between rain and standing water in the bog wasn't seeing much if any blood (she didn't go too far--30 yards or so)

FORENSIC ANALYSIS: 5 or 6B shot from grid, through and through upper halves of both lungs a bit in front of intestines and stomach, higher and further back than intended but severed aorta evident from body cavity filled with blood (she bled out quick)

TAKEAWAYS: New guy got frickin' lucky here. I knew this spot would be good to hunt and even though I got a strong side shot, it wasn't without having to do some serious contorting as it was on the backside of the tree in the 9 oclock when I'd expected 12 to 3. Drew too early and had to hold it for a long time for her to clear some saplings while she was ambling around. Need to practice shooting more from height. Shot was lined up where I wanted it but it was up and back a bit from aim point. Bit fortunate to slice the aorta like that. You can see the entry wound in this pic. IMG_4072.jpg
 
This is one isn't mine, but a buddy's that I helped retrieve and clean. The bow info is copy/pasted from my setup since...well, I set his bow up for him.

DEER: 90ish pound osceola doe.

WEAPON: Hickory Creek Mini Vertical Crossbow. Shooting a 380 grain arrow (100 grain Chinese Rage Hypodermic knockoff and 50 grain brass insert up front, 23" shaft, 300 spine, 8.6gpi, 14.7% FOC) at 324fps average generating right at 90 ft/lbs of KE "at the muzzle". Topped with a Burris FastFire III reflex site. High confidence in the setup and tune.

SHOT SITUATION: 20 yard thread-the-needle shot through thick brush at a doe that came in on alert to a fawn distress bleat

SHOT REACTION: deer jumped and crashed 41 yards through thick cover and piled up

RECOVERY EFFORT: There was plenty of blood for the Blood God. A color blind person could have seen it.

FORENSIC ANALYSIS: Prettiest shot I've seen in a while. Tight to the shoulder ball socket on both sides without hitting bone.

TAKEAWAYS: My buddy is a better shot than me.

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DEER: roughly 80ish pound doe. Osceola subspecies most likely.

WEAPON: Hickory Creek Mini Vertical Crossbow. Shooting a 380 grain arrow (100 grain SHWACKER (ran out of chinadermics) and 50 grain brass insert up front, 23" shaft, 300 spine, 8.6gpi, 14.7% FOC) at 324fps average generating right at 90 ft/lbs of KE "at the muzzle". Topped with a Burris FastFire III reflex site. High confidence in the setup. Have killed probably 10 or so deer plus hogs and 2 coyotes with it. I personally set up my own stuff and had faith that everything was functioning as it should and was "tuned."

SHOT SITUATION: 12ft up a tree. Took shot at 30 yards or so. Deer somehow managed to come in behind me despite a creek covering my rear. It crossed my trail coming in from the boat and was obviously not comfortable with the situation. It was making a beeline towards the thick cover I was watching and expecting deer to emerge from to eat the acorns I was guarding.

I took a shot as it paused to scan the woods while quartering away. As I did, the deer started moving forward. I head the arrow hit but knew it was back.

SHOT REACTION: The deer continued forward at a trot. It was early and foggy on the river, and I quickly lost sight of it in the security cover. As per usual, I took a bearing on the last known location of the deer.

RECOVERY EFFORT: I knew the shot was back, and had committed to hunting the rest of the morning like normal, finding my arrow, and blood trailing the first few yards to determine if it was worth trailing solo or waiting until the next morning to come back with the pup. But, once the sun got up good and was shining on the forest floor, I could see white almost exactly where I had lost site of the deer. Climbed down, walked over, dead deer. Backtracked the blood to my arrow. It was ample and surprisingly good-looking for a gutty hit. Total travel distance from arrow to deer 54 yards.

FORENSIC ANALYSIS: The shot was not as horrible as I had imagined. I did not gut the deer but believe I cut a 2" sharp hole through the liver and the back of one lung. The far side lung was definitely compromised because I ended up with chunks of it coming out when I pulled the heart.

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The arrow and broadhead survived perfectly intact. I'll probably touch up the blades and keep it in the rotation.

TAKEAWAYS: I got lucky on a spooky deer at a yardage further than I really should have been messing with. I do think a fast arrow and a big, sharp cut helped that luck out some.
 
I just shot my very first deer out of a saddle Saturday afternoon and he's hanging in the garage so I could get some fresh pics. I had hoped to shoot a saddle buck last year but messed up and shot a wall-hanger on opening day from a fixed stand. Bummer....

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DEER: mature Ohio whitetail ~200 lbs? Took 3 grown men to load him in the Ranger. (See pic to judge size for yourself)

WEAPON: Mathews DXT 60lb. Piledriver / Magnus 150gr Stinger (495 gr total weight). 15.6 FOC. No identifiable damage to the Stinger. Last year's buck fell to a Stinger 100gr that had more edge damage but still dropped the buck in 30 yds.

SHOT SITUATON: Standing on predator XL at about 7-8 o'clock. Latitude 2 and compound in this gnarly Osage because I can't fit my JX3 or shoot my recurve in this stand. Grunted the buck down the trail from field above me. Stopped broadside ~35 yds away and maybe 5 ft below my feet. Arrow hit exactly where I held my pin at the top of C5. (I've been working to banish the yips so this made me very happy).

SHOT REACTION: Jumped a bit but only trotted 15-20 yards away from where the arrow buried in the mud. Stood still, did some weird tail wags and butt wiggles, then laid down and never moved. Less than a minute before he was down.

RECOVERY PROCESS: Watched him lay down, called my buddy to bring the Ranger down the hill and started the process to come out of the tree.

FORENSIC ANALYSIS: Stinger made pudding of both lungs with minimal bone contact (see pics). Buried several inches in the hillside. The 2 blade did plenty of damage and gave good blood trail although it wasn't needed. The fact that no bone damage occurred was likely responsible for the leisurely response to the shot and the short recovery. Last year however, a buck took a 100gr Stinger from the same bow on a line from kidney to aorta and out the brisket. He made a hard 30 yard run before piling up on the atv road.

TAKEAWAYS: A sharp 2-blade in the right place is plenty of broadhead to do the job quickly and efficiently. A Grizzly from my recurve would have done the same thing if he got within my stickbow range.
 

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Deer about 12 yards and I was about 10' up in a very skinny tree (in a saddle). Bow setup as follows.
  • Diamond infinite edge pro (310 ibo speed)
  • 26.5" draw length
  • 57# draw weight
  • 175 grain grizzlystik samurai (the lower cost red version) with total arrow weight of 583 grains (estimated speed of 183/fps)
  • 12" yard shot
  • Doe cam in to some fawn bleats I made after she zipped through out of range with 3 fawns and stopped nearly head on when I drew.
Arrow went through front shoulder blade, took bits off two front ribs and then another chunk off a far rib. Also poked a few holes in the off side, bu didn't break the hide. She ran about 100 yards and died right away.

Gonna have the teeth aged. I think she's 4 to 6 years old. Dressed weight was 146#.

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DEER: 120ish pound buck.

WEAPON: same setup with the hickory creek mini as described in other posts

SHOT SITUATON: 8 yards away and eye level. Perfectly broadside and calm.

SHOT REACTION: Buck jumped and ran about 20 yards, stood and looked back, and collapsed.

RECOVERY PROCESS: died in sight of me

FORENSIC ANALYSIS: high double lung.

TAKEAWAYS: yawn
 
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