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Delaware public land trail camera ban

NMSbowhunter said:
Except that if all a guy wants to do is have a 160 or better buck to plaster all over Farcebook he can get it done in one weekend at a high fence outfitter if he wants to spend $$$$. He can always make up a good story of how hard he hunted it to go along with the pictures.
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Yeah but at a minimum it will always be made up lol
 
NMSbowhunter said:
I get the argument, but what about the season dates and bag limits. Should it be OK for a private landowner to decide when the season starts on their own property and decide if they want to kill 3 or 103 deer this season? My feeling is that if the state is going to have game laws, the laws need to apply equally to all hunters regardless of whether they own land or not. Otherwise, you create a different class of citizen.
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No I get it bro I do there has to be limits but, note from what i was told and what I experienced in an actual deer club that issued us crop damage tags.
They charged members 1800 a year to hunt their properties and kill as many does as we want but bucks were killed with bag limits.
with that said Delaware and several other states on the east coast supply crop damage tags to farmers which I highly disagree with.
I was a member of this club for 1 year but hunted there very minimally. I was not aware of these crop tags until i joined the club. I expressed my ill will towards this but was shunned away.
(Note please)
I love farmers they are some of the nicest and hard working people in the world but, I do not agree on crop damage tags.
I do not agree with this and the reason why is farmers eligible for crop damage tags should be allowing hunters to come in and hunt just like public land and have zero liability to any harm or anything that happens to the hunter. Farmers should Not be able to just shoot countless deer on their properties.and like most do leave them lay there for the yotes.
There needs to be something in place lol.
With that said crop damage tags are very very misused and I have been on farms in the Delmarva area where the farmers are just shooting the deer and leaving them lay to rot. it is super easy to get farm crop damage tags and most of them take advantage of them.
using crop damage tags I do believe you can hunt from mid august till mid February on crop damage tags, (Doe kills only)
last I heard if you run out just call or email and more will be given to you
I get it that farmers are losing big money from deer but there needs to be a program enacted so people can have access to properties like this all while helping the farmers and with a worry free mind.
Both public land and private need to have laws and limits in place but the ones setting these laws should have some background or experience in whatever they are trying to enact laws upon. How can I regulate a law or enact something that I have zero clue on how it works or what its purpose is lmao.
My end point is the crop damage program is just another law or enactment program which is ridiculous along with several mother ones in effect.
do you know in Delaware a youth can get a hunting license at I think 10 or 12 but, he or she can not carry a firearm while hunting until they are 18
they can not purchase ammo till they are 21 yet we can send them somewhere to kill other humans in a war at 18
lmao really?
 
The_Fit_Ness_Monster said:
Yeah but at a minimum it will always be made up lol
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That's why unless I really know the person and what sort of a hunter they are I don't put much stock in any deer they show me that they have killed. I've had several people locally show me bucks they claimed they kill down the road and later I hear from a family member how that buck was killed on a deer ranch out of state.
 
kbetts said:
We have a nice private piece that we can shoot deer from August 15th until May 15th.
Doesn't mean we do.
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kbetts said:
We have a nice private piece that we can shoot deer from August 15th until May 15th.
Doesn't mean we do.
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yea man but, you are one of the good responsible ones
I know alot of farmers down there who shoot deer in all that time frame and just leave them lay in the fields but, wont let anyone hunt on their properties
 
Robert loper said:
No I get it bro I do there has to be limits but, note from what i was told and what I experienced in an actual deer club that issued us crop damage tags.
They charged members 1800 a year to hunt their properties and kill as many does as we want but bucks were killed with bag limits.
with that said Delaware and several other states on the east coast supply crop damage tags to farmers which I highly disagree with.
I was a member of this club for 1 year but hunted there very minimally. I was not aware of these crop tags until i joined the club. I expressed my ill will towards this but was shunned away.
(Note please)
I love farmers they are some of the nicest and hard working people in the world but, I do not agree on crop damage tags.
I do not agree with this and the reason why is farmers eligible for crop damage tags should be allowing hunters to come in and hunt just like public land and have zero liability to any harm or anything that happens to the hunter. Farmers should Not be able to just shoot countless deer on their properties.and like most do leave them lay there for the yotes.
There needs to be something in place lol.
With that said crop damage tags are very very misused and I have been on farms in the Delmarva area where the farmers are just shooting the deer and leaving them lay to rot. it is super easy to get farm crop damage tags and most of them take advantage of them.
using crop damage tags I do believe you can hunt from mid august till mid February on crop damage tags, (Doe kills only)
last I heard if you run out just call or email and more will be given to you
I get it that farmers are losing big money from deer but there needs to be a program enacted so people can have access to properties like this all while helping the farmers and with a worry free mind.
Both public land and private need to have laws and limits in place but the ones setting these laws should have some background or experience in whatever they are trying to enact laws upon. How can I regulate a law or enact something that I have zero clue on how it works or what its purpose is lmao.
My end point is the crop damage program is just another law or enactment program which is ridiculous along with several mother ones in effect.
do you know in Delaware a youth can get a hunting license at I think 10 or 12 but, he or she can not carry a firearm while hunting until they are 18
they can not purchase ammo till they are 21 yet we can send them somewhere to kill other humans in a war at 18
lmao really?
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Yeah, like the saying goes, if you like sausage and laws you should never see either being made.
 
I wish they would do this in WV. They have already banned baiting on public land any time of year. If they do this too, then more folks will stay on private land and I won't have as many folks boogering up my hunts by randomly walking around the woods with a crossbow (thinking they'll sneak up on deer in thick cover like John Rambo).
 
hmm...excuse my ignorance. So are 'tags' just the term used in the situation? What's the point of having a tag or tracking system if they are not required to report the deer that they leave for the coyotes? Do they have to report it?

I'm just curious why its not a requirement (not that it would be possible to enforced) that any deer kill under a crop damage tags must be donated to places like "hunters feeding the hungry" program.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
That's why unless I really know the person and what sort of a hunter they are I don't put much stock in any deer they show me that they have killed. I've had several people locally show me bucks they claimed they kill down the road and later I hear from a family member how that buck was killed on a deer ranch out of state.
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Same, I couldn’t care less about a buck or how big it is, It’s nice I can definitely see why people get hype about it but I’ll always say you can’t eat horns. Had a guy at a veteran event last weekend bragging to me about how much he pays for his lease and how luxury the lodge is and blah blah blah, those people make me cringe and I think completely taint the art of hunting and miss the whole point all together.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
That's why unless I really know the person and what sort of a hunter they are I don't put much stock in any deer they show me that they have killed. I've had several people locally show me bucks they claimed they kill down the road and later I hear from a family member how that buck was killed on a deer ranch out of state.
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I have had several big names on you tube tell me bs stories of bucks they have killed claiming one thing happened when a total opposite was then revealed to me later on. one of them told me two completly different stories a week apart about the same buck they so called killed lmao dont always believe what you hear lol
one comes to mind asap and is why I left that whole place lol its everywhere bro Humans strive for attention and will sadly lie and mislead to get it.
 
The_Fit_Ness_Monster said:
Agreed, I’ve always viewed hunting as a poor man’s sport. Growing up we hunted bc we were poor, granted I know how expensive it can be nowadays depending on gear and whatnot but yeah, I can verify as I’m sure most can, the guy with the most time wins every time. These days I have money it’s not an option but the main driver of how many deer I kill is how much time I put into it has nothing to do with money spent.
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That’s part of the argument against cell cams… if you can afford to pepper the landscape with live feed cameras you can minimize the time and effort and go to the place where the big buck is, knowing he’s there.
Robert loper said:
No I get it bro I do there has to be limits but, note from what i was told and what I experienced in an actual deer club that issued us crop damage tags.
They charged members 1800 a year to hunt their properties and kill as many does as we want but bucks were killed with bag limits.
with that said Delaware and several other states on the east coast supply crop damage tags to farmers which I highly disagree with.
I was a member of this club for 1 year but hunted there very minimally. I was not aware of these crop tags until i joined the club. I expressed my ill will towards this but was shunned away.
(Note please)
I love farmers they are some of the nicest and hard working people in the world but, I do not agree on crop damage tags.
I do not agree with this and the reason why is farmers eligible for crop damage tags should be allowing hunters to come in and hunt just like public land and have zero liability to any harm or anything that happens to the hunter. Farmers should Not be able to just shoot countless deer on their properties.and like most do leave them lay there for the yotes.
There needs to be something in place lol.
With that said crop damage tags are very very misused and I have been on farms in the Delmarva area where the farmers are just shooting the deer and leaving them lay to rot. it is super easy to get farm crop damage tags and most of them take advantage of them.
using crop damage tags I do believe you can hunt from mid august till mid February on crop damage tags, (Doe kills only)
last I heard if you run out just call or email and more will be given to you
I get it that farmers are losing big money from deer but there needs to be a program enacted so people can have access to properties like this all while helping the farmers and with a worry free mind.
Both public land and private need to have laws and limits in place but the ones setting these laws should have some background or experience in whatever they are trying to enact laws upon. How can I regulate a law or enact something that I have zero clue on how it works or what its purpose is lmao.
My end point is the crop damage program is just another law or enactment program which is ridiculous along with several mother ones in effect.
do you know in Delaware a youth can get a hunting license at I think 10 or 12 but, he or she can not carry a firearm while hunting until they are 18
they can not purchase ammo till they are 21 yet we can send them somewhere to kill other humans in a war at 18
lmao really?
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i hear ya. Going back to your prior story about siting in on the trail camera meeting: when people in public office don’t understand what they are managing of course there will be lots of foolish mistakes. If we as hunters don’t get involved in the decision making processes then our perspectives and knowledge won’t be considered.
 
Robert loper said:
No I get it bro I do there has to be limits but, note from what i was told and what I experienced in an actual deer club that issued us crop damage tags.
They charged members 1800 a year to hunt their properties and kill as many does as we want but bucks were killed with bag limits.
with that said Delaware and several other states on the east coast supply crop damage tags to farmers which I highly disagree with.
I was a member of this club for 1 year but hunted there very minimally. I was not aware of these crop tags until i joined the club. I expressed my ill will towards this but was shunned away.
(Note please)
I love farmers they are some of the nicest and hard working people in the world but, I do not agree on crop damage tags.
I do not agree with this and the reason why is farmers eligible for crop damage tags should be allowing hunters to come in and hunt just like public land and have zero liability to any harm or anything that happens to the hunter. Farmers should Not be able to just shoot countless deer on their properties.and like most do leave them lay there for the yotes.
There needs to be something in place lol.
With that said crop damage tags are very very misused and I have been on farms in the Delmarva area where the farmers are just shooting the deer and leaving them lay to rot. it is super easy to get farm crop damage tags and most of them take advantage of them.
using crop damage tags I do believe you can hunt from mid august till mid February on crop damage tags, (Doe kills only)
last I heard if you run out just call or email and more will be given to you
I get it that farmers are losing big money from deer but there needs to be a program enacted so people can have access to properties like this all while helping the farmers and with a worry free mind.
Both public land and private need to have laws and limits in place but the ones setting these laws should have some background or experience in whatever they are trying to enact laws upon. How can I regulate a law or enact something that I have zero clue on how it works or what its purpose is lmao.
My end point is the crop damage program is just another law or enactment program which is ridiculous along with several mother ones in effect.
do you know in Delaware a youth can get a hunting license at I think 10 or 12 but, he or she can not carry a firearm while hunting until they are 18
they can not purchase ammo till they are 21 yet we can send them somewhere to kill other humans in a war at 18
lmao really?
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Off topic, but there are two different tag types. There is the general "crop damage" tag and there is the "extreme" red tag. Red tags are for the extended seasons. The others are for extra does during a "normal" season.
If I was a landowner these days, I'd be against opening it up to the public. That being said, I wouldn't bitch about no deer being killed if I leased it to a single high roller. That's what you get. To hunt property that I owned, it'd probably be worse than a job interview....lol.
 
Robert loper said:
yea man but, you are one of the good responsible ones
I know alot of farmers down there who shoot deer in all that time frame and just leave them lay in the fields but, wont let anyone hunt on their properties
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I see it too. Buck hunters lease the property, not deer hunters.
And most aren't qualified.
 
kbetts said:
Off topic, but there are two different tag types. There is the general "crop damage" tag and there is the "extreme" red tag. Red tags are for the extended seasons. The others are for extra does during a "normal" season.
If I was a landowner these days, I'd be against opening it up to the public. That being said, I wouldn't bitch about no deer being killed if I leased it to a single high roller. That's what you get. To hunt property that I owned, it'd probably be worse than a job interview....lol.
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Lmao. I get it. I really do. Stay safe my friend.
 
Jammintree said:
That’s part of the argument against cell cams… if you can afford to pepper the landscape with live feed cameras you can minimize the time and effort and go to the place where the big buck is, knowing he’s there.

i hear ya. Going back to your prior story about siting in on the trail camera meeting: when people in public office don’t understand what they are managing of course there will be lots of foolish mistakes. If we as hunters don’t get involved in the decision making processes then our perspectives and knowledge won’t be considered.
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Agrred. Thats why i really try to keep up on the meeting in both states i hunt.
they love to throw slick **** in on these unposted meetings
 
somewhat agnostic here. i have two cell cameras but dont move them enough/ havent set them in great places, so ive learned a lot more by being in the woods than by whatever walks by the camera. i'm sure i could get better at using the cameras, but dont have a lot of motivation to do so. its more of a fun/ somewhat inventory use for me than a buck targeting tool, so if MD gets rid of them it won't change a ton for me.
 
I was watching on of Dan Infalt's videos the other day and he made a great point. Josh asked him whether he thought cameras were better for learning an area or glassing and he said glassing. Albeit they were also discussing shining/spotlighting deer (which is highly illegal here but legal where they are) as a means to see what deer are in an area and what is out there. His point was that a camera just covers a tiny area and won't begin to give you a real clue about what is out there and what they are doing.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
I was watching on of Dan Infalt's videos the other day and he made a great point. Josh asked him whether he thought cameras were better for learning an area or glassing and he said glassing. Albeit they were also discussing shining/spotlighting deer (which is highly illegal here but legal where they are) as a means to see what deer are in an area and what is out there. His point was that a camera just covers a tiny area and won't begin to give you a real clue about what is out there and what they are doing.
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Im sure you know this already but, in my opinion i think trail cameras are used in wrong ways by most checked way way to often and not left alone to soak all season to collect data to be used for the next season. Guys just cant help themselves by checking cameras every few days just like hunting pressure.
remember checking trail cameras is just as bad as hunting presdure. Deer can’t decipher if we are hunting , hiking, or checking cameras. Its all presdure.
trail cameras obviously are a good tool if used correctly and can give you a great idea on when the deer are using a certain area.
( just like scouting and finding and interpreting deer sign reading deer sign)
 
Robert loper said:
Im sure you know this already but, in my opinion i think trail cameras are used in wrong ways by most checked way way to often and not left alone to soak all season to collect data to be used for the next season. Guys just cant help themselves by checking cameras every few days just like hunting pressure.
remember checking trail cameras is just as bad as hunting presdure. Deer can’t decipher if we are hunting , hiking, or checking cameras. Its all presdure.
trail cameras obviously are a good tool if used correctly and can give you a great idea on when the deer are using a certain area.
( just like scouting and finding and interpreting deer sign reading deer sign)
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Oh absolutely. I figured that out pretty quick after getting a few cameras. I have several friends, to this day who check them every week. They claim the cell cameras are better but they go in every few weeks to dump more corn so it all works out the same. They always have pictures of good bucks but rarely connect. I remember Infalt commenting he was trying to kill the buck, not make a scrapbook.
 
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