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Do you tie off your saddle to the end of your tether?

Do you tie in to the end of your tether?

  • Yes

    Votes: 46 46.0%
  • No

    Votes: 54 54.0%

  • Total voters
    100
I would submit that they will assist in absorbing the fall, even if they were to ultimately fail. I would compare it to crumple zones in a car, which fail, but serve a purpose during failure. Every little bit helps, I can’t see why someone would give that up when all you have to do is loosen the straps for the walk in. I can‘t imagine wearing a saddle without them. I also don’t want my saddle to end up around my chest. My waist is smaller than my hips and there is no doubt in my mind that is what would happen if I had a fall without leg loops.
I agree with you 100% . I scoffing at the idea that leg straps on a riggers belt would help absorb shock as opposed to helping to keep someone in place. Even removable straps, while seemingly the best of both world’s, is more like giving the ok to use the saddle without them. You can’t write in warnings that legs straps must be used, then turn around making them removable because some people take that as implied consent to not utilize them. I am surprised that insurance companies would allow that because of the implied consent factor. Could you imagine a car manufacturer that made removable seat belts so that getting in and out of the seat would be easier? Anyway just my warped sense of humor. Definitely wasn’t suggesting leg straps do nothing, only that g hooks aren’t load bearing therefore they wouldn’t help with shock absorption the way leg straps on a RCH are.
 
Neither my Merlin or Menace leg straps have any load bearing characteristics. They do however keep the saddle from riding up and keep my butt perfectly cupped.
Actually while not technically load bearing by design, the buckles, webbing and connection point on the aerohunter saddles are in fact load bearing capable. Not saying they need to be load bearing just that aerohunter has always made theirs to fall in line with arborist standards
 
Cheers to the people who are risk tolerant enough to push the cutting edge of technology to do cool things.

And cheers to the people who are risk averse enough to spend the time to study and analyze and create a framework for the crazy's to test things for them to study and analyze.

And mostly, cheers to the folks who can do both, or are deft enough to pull those two groups together to make progress possible by leaving flags planted in safe ground along the way.
 
I just half hitch mine to the bridge to keep the excess out of the way.

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Never ever, ever should a rope as such be in direct contact with a piece of nylon webbing. Try this. Take a scrap piece of 1" tubular webbing and tie it on something solid. Put a piece of climbing rope through it and pull back and forth like 6 times like you're using one of those cheap survival saws....let me know what happens.
 
I agree with you 100% . I scoffing at the idea that leg straps on a riggers belt would help absorb shock as opposed to helping to keep someone in place. Even removable straps, while seemingly the best of both world’s, is more like giving the ok to use the saddle without them. You can’t write in warnings that legs straps must be used, then turn around making them removable because some people take that as implied consent to not utilize them. I am surprised that insurance companies would allow that because of the implied consent factor. Could you imagine a car manufacturer that made removable seat belts so that getting in and out of the seat would be easier? Anyway just my warped sense of humor. Definitely wasn’t suggesting leg straps do nothing, only that g hooks aren’t load bearing therefore they wouldn’t help with shock absorption the way leg straps on a RCH are.
You do have a point about the limits of the g hooks. And even though I do think they would provide something in a fall, the leg loops would be better if sewn in with an adjuster. I get it, people have a hard time stepping into them. I wore a torso harness in the Navy for over 20 years. I could step into a saddle with sewn leg loops in my sleep lol. Good discussion.
 
Never ever, ever should a rope as such be in direct contact with a piece of nylon webbing. Try this. Take a scrap piece of 1" tubular webbing and tie it on something solid. Put a piece of climbing rope through it and pull back and forth like 6 times like you're using one of those cheap survival saws....let me know what happens.
Just gonna leave this right here
 
Never ever, ever should a rope as such be in direct contact with a piece of nylon webbing. Try this. Take a scrap piece of 1" tubular webbing and tie it on something solid. Put a piece of climbing rope through it and pull back and forth like 6 times like you're using one of those cheap survival saws....let me know what happens.
He said he tied the free end of his tether to his bridge. You are correct rope can rub through the webbing but tying in slack that is not tensioned won’t hurt it any more than your water knots sliding while you walk out with your aerohunter saddle.
 

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Aw hush...

I tie into my bridge biner in a saddle, and into my loop on an RC harness, and use friction hitches as progress capture or positioning aid (see what I did there). I try to leave as little slack as possible in the section of rope below that hitch, and my tie in point.
Satire
 
He said he tied the free end of his tether to his bridge. You are correct rope can rub through the webbing but tying in slack that is not tensioned won’t hurt it any more than your water knots sliding while you walk out with your aerohunter saddle.
Ha! Sure post a picture if my old saddle :) I belive thats a scaffold knot, as a water knot is only used in webbing, BUT I never actually used that saddle with that bridge. 24" bridge with 1" tubular webbing and water knots is my go-to. I put that pack on as it was the original. Oh, and there's more than a single layer of webbing there, and its tubular vs the trophyline non-tubular webbing bridge.

There are certain rules in the climbing industry. Rope tied on or through webbing is one of them.
 
Ha! Sure post a picture if my old saddle :) I belive thats a scaffold knot, as a water knot is only used in webbing, BUT I never actually used that saddle with that bridge. 24" bridge with 1" tubular webbing and water knots is my go-to. I put that pack on as it was the original. Oh, and there's more than a single layer of webbing there, and its tubular vs the trophyline non-tubular webbing bridge.

There are certain rules in the climbing industry. Rope tied on or through webbing is one of them.
I was wondering who tied it that way ;)
And yes generally speaking it’s a bad idea for rope to be on webbing because of the differences in abrasion resistance! I was having a little fun with you since I picked up this little gem of a saddle from you and all lol
 
I was wondering who tied it that way ;)
And yes generally speaking it’s a bad idea for rope to be on webbing because of the differences in abrasion resistance! I was having a little fun with you since I picked up this little gem of a saddle from you and all lol
All good man, I can take it :cool:
 
Ha! Sure post a picture if my old saddle :) I belive thats a scaffold knot, as a water knot is only used in webbing, BUT I never actually used that saddle with that bridge. 24" bridge with 1" tubular webbing and water knots is my go-to. I put that pack on as it was the original. Oh, and there's more than a single layer of webbing there, and its tubular vs the trophyline non-tubular webbing bridge.

There are certain rules in the climbing industry. Rope tied on or through webbing is one of them.

I haven't noticed any wear whatsoever. That was something I did not know until you posted about it. Thanks for the info!
 
I haven't noticed any wear whatsoever. That was something I did not know until you posted about it. Thanks for the info!
What you did with your tether end to keep things tidy will never do anything to compromise your safety. It's a non issue because there is as close to zero friction as you can get between the rope and the strap.
 
What you did with your tether end to keep things tidy will never do anything to compromise your safety. It's a non issue because there is as close to zero friction as you can get between the rope and the strap.

no one is saying it’s an issue in that scenario. That’s not how the internet works though.

Some hick will come up with a brilliant idea to join rope and webbing together for some purpose. Hell click back to that picture in his memory when he checks the box of safe or not. And if the hullabaloo hadn’t been made about it, he moves right on making that joint and introducing weight to it.

I say this as a hick who learns from pictures too.
 
no one is saying it’s an issue in that scenario. That’s not how the internet works though.

Some hick will come up with a brilliant idea to join rope and webbing together for some purpose. Hell click back to that picture in his memory when he checks the box of safe or not. And if the hullabaloo hadn’t been made about it, he moves right on making that joint and introducing weight to it.

I say this as a hick who learns from pictures too.
Some of you have never pulled stumps out of the ground using tow straps tied to rope and it shows :sweatsmile:
 
The question was do you tie the end of your tether. All of y’all just implied tying off for safety reasons, Ole Appalachian clearly stated he tied his end in a half hitch around his bridge to get it out of the way. Take it easy!

good learning though
 
no one is saying it’s an issue in that scenario. That’s not how the internet works though.
Some hick will come up with a brilliant idea to join rope and webbing together for some purpose.
There are a number of saddles that use rope bridges tied directly to the nylon webbing loops on the harness and I never heard a peep about them being dangerous. Guys making oplux bridges and such. My original Cruzr XC came with a rope bridge tied to nylon webbing loops. Are these dangerous to internet people?
He was specifically told to never, ever, ever do what he did in that scenario......as if he did something wrong......and he did not. Like you implied, uninformed people looking for information are going to be left scratching their heads on this one.
It's like seeing a picture of a guy in a treestand with his bow and somebody yells "Hey, if you shoot yourself with that thing you're gonna get hurt!" Great advice, but it's just not applicable to the situation at hand.
 
To rein this back in a bit. Someone tell me if this is incorrect:

Generally speaking, tying the end of your tether back into the carabiner or to a linesman loop for the most part would only be beneficial for rope management. If you fall hard enough to cause your main connection to fail, it doesn’t matter where your tag end is connected because you are already toast. All this assumes you are using in spec gear and no wonky DIY gizmos.
 
There are a number of saddles that use rope bridges tied directly to the nylon webbing loops on the harness and I never heard a peep about them being dangerous. Guys making oplux bridges and such. My original Cruzr XC came with a rope bridge tied to nylon webbing loops. Are these dangerous to internet people?
He was specifically told to never, ever, ever do what he did in that scenario......as if he did something wrong......and he did not. Like you implied, uninformed people looking for information are going to be left scratching their heads on this one.
It's like seeing a picture of a guy in a treestand with his bow and somebody yells "Hey, if you shoot yourself with that thing you're gonna get hurt!" Great advice, but it's just not applicable to the situation at hand.

Do those saddles have reinforced bridge loops?
 
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