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Examples of dangerous carabiner loading

I hit this 8 times with a sledge hammer until the gate broke.hung it and had my friend who weighs 240 lbs. and i take turns jumping on the strap until both our backs hurt and it still didn't snap .it still holds weight.if you think you can bend it like that by sitting in a saddle, falling, jumping,what ever you plan on doing during your hunt,it will still be holding you around the tree.but only i can do this i dont recomend it.tech tip says expert only
 
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I think this needs to be a little simpler
So I have tethrd equipment
The tether I have is the thicker one
Bought the ropeman too and it came with their carabiner

when I’m all set up should the gate opening be facing me? I think it should
Should it open at the top? Or should the gate open at the bottom?
 
Gate should face you so you can quickly reference the condition and state of the gate. As to opening its potato potahtoe. Some folks say open at bottom so you can quickly clip things in, some say top so you don’t accidentally open the gate or bump it or damage it by bashing it on something. It also depends on the shape of biner you’re running. Pear shape kinda naturally orientates with large end toward the bottom. Ovalbiner is the same top and bottom. Personally I run my biners gate towards me, spine towards tree with gate down so I can easily clip in my bridge, back brace, etc. I also find it’s easier to twist the locks shut this way.
 
i use a mini non locking wire gated carabiner, black diamond. I 1 stick and rappel off it. me at 180lbs and 10lbs of gear friction on the rope/bark is holding my weight not the carabiner, it might be holding 60lbs, and side loading 30lbs. the carabiner allows the friction to work.
 
this is a pretty good video too. I might ditch my steel quick link for a beefy aluminum locker.

 
I apologize if this question has already been answered but I searched and could find it.
Do Steel oval quick links and steel delta triangles fall under the same type of rules as carabiners when it comes to crossloading?
Based on my research it seems most of the manufacturer's instructions that I looked at for quick links and delta's seem to have the same warnings about crossloading that their carabiners have.
Am I missing something? I thought the best practice method for attaching your repel rope to a tree is to use either a oval steel quick link or the triangle style Delta link. I've also read some believe steel or aluminum carabiners will also work and they point to testing videos showing strength, cinching abilities and the fact that the rope exits the carabiner going away from the tree thereby not really crossloading the carabiner.
I noticed both the quick link and a steel carabiner both have 40 kn ratings. Can someone explain this to me?
 
Good information. The question I have is that when you look at the example of dangerous placement, LOADING OVER AN EDGE. It would seem that when using a carabiner on your tether that you would never subject it to that extreme of an angle. The larger the tree the less angle for possible bending. I have always used a delta or quick link but it makes me wonder if a carabiner could be used safely. It is just a thought, any opinions or related experiences are welcomed.
 
ww874 said:
I apologize if this question has already been answered but I searched and could find it.
Do Steel oval quick links and steel delta triangles fall under the same type of rules as carabiners when it comes to crossloading?
Based on my research it seems most of the manufacturer's instructions that I looked at for quick links and delta's seem to have the same warnings about crossloading that their carabiners have.
Am I missing something? I thought the best practice method for attaching your repel rope to a tree is to use either a oval steel quick link or the triangle style Delta link. I've also read some believe steel or aluminum carabiners will also work and they point to testing videos showing strength, cinching abilities and the fact that the rope exits the carabiner going away from the tree thereby not really crossloading the carabiner.
I noticed both the quick link and a steel carabiner both have 40 kn ratings. Can someone explain this to me?
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In our use, around a tree, a steel quick link is never going to fail unless you don't buy a climbing rated one OR there is something wrong with it (huge crack inside it or something).

The quick links (for some reason) are rated much below their actual breaking strength. My 9 mm stainless delta link I'm nearly certain could pick up my Tacoma.
 
raisins said:
In our use, around a tree, a steel quick link is never going to fail unless you don't buy a climbing rated one OR there is something wrong with it (huge crack inside it or something).

The quick links (for some reason) are rated much below their actual breaking strength. My 9 mm stainless delta link I'm nearly certain could pick up my Tacoma.
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SlackSnap - Camp & Maillon Rapide quick Links are all rated the same when cross loaded? Slow Motion! / HowNOT2
fo sho doe.just Overkill in my opinion .we hanging a body not a truck.
 
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