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Explaining Scent Related Dog Tests

Rangermatthews

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On the Down South Hunting podcast part 2 both Dan Infalt and John Eberhart are asked about dog tests were a Police dog is used to locate people using a variety of scent reduction methods. No effort at scent reduction, spray down / rubber boots and the full spectrum of scent reduction including scentlok. The results of those test were the Police dogs found the person using using the full spectrum of scent reduction first and the person who made no effort to control their odor last. It's my understanding that his was true for all the tests.



No amount of scent reduction will prevent a Police dog or deer from detecting some amount of human odor, but the results of the tests as they relate to deer hunting are misleading. First off you need to understand that a Police dog and a deer react to odor recognition completely different. A Police dog is trained to detect the smallest amount of odor, determine direction and follow it to its source. A deer detects odor, determines direction and then makes a distance calculation as to how far away the source of the odor is. Based on that distance the deer decides if it's in danger or not. The test measures how long it takes the Police dog to locate the source of the odor, something the deer is almost never going to do with a human.



No one believes a person that has more odor is going to be more difficult for a dog or deer to smell. So what happened in the test? A dog follows odor by detecting the smallest of changes in concentration. Almost like contour lines on a topographic map these changes in concentration essentially tell the dog what way is up and what way is down. If the levels of concentration have little change its more difficult for the dog to determine direction but this can have nothing to do with the amount of odor. Similar to us walking in an area where there is little change in elevation it can be difficult to tell what way is up or down.



A trained K9 will follow the difference in the amount of odor to the source. If there is a large amount of odor it can be difficult for the dog to detect the small variances to determine direction to the source of the odor. An example would be a narcotics detection dog and marijuana. If you bring that dog into a marijuana grow operation the dog will have a very difficult time locating the source of the odor. Due to the abundance of odor the dog will show odor recognition but will have a very difficult time following the odor to its source. A smaller amount of detectable odor can be be easier for the dog to source because the area that contains odor is so much smaller so the dog doesn’t need to go far to detect if the odor is increasing or decreasing.



The dog experiments when interpreted as they relate to hunting would be. The dog is able to detect the person with no scent reduction very quickly and from a greater distance but it takes the dog longer to work through the larger amount of odor to find the source. Conversely with scent reduction the dog was able to find the source of the odor quicker because the scent cone is smaller/tighter.



Dogs can tell us a lot about how deer recognize odor and how long odor persists in certain conditions. However any test that measures how long a dog takes to complete a task that would never be required of a deer will have misleading results.
 
There are many questions to ask, for this kind of work, how scent stays around air scent is only viable for around 4 hours after this animals or dogs can work ground scent bacteria in the soil when walked on starts a reaction leaving a time stamp along with hair follicles and skin particals they can tell which way you or another animal walks. ground conditions have huge parts to play on how long scent stays it dissipates when dry hot but if a shower or damp conditions occur it rejuvenates, is there features that hold scent like dips and hollows high vegetation and such like . whilst tracking wounded animals we can work up to 75 hours after but things get really difficult.
going back to deer and scent it is hard to say what deer react to, tonight i set out to try a new platform we are in the roe deer rut and as i climbed a tree as i got half way up a buck came to investigate came all the way round caught my wind and was away only 5 minutes later a doe came by from where i had actually walked and wasn't fazed one bit sniffed my rucksack i left at the base of the tree and casually walked on.
I have always been intrigued with scent blockers and if they actually work or if they are just something to fool us like a placebo effect. whilst hunting if you are using the wind to your favor to stalk or get into position my thoughts are like tonight it only takes a very short time for the alarm bells of animals to dissapear after you get into a stand or platform and they can tell you have gone by when up in the stand the wind carry's your scent further away, it is though so important if stalking to use the wind in your favor or you will always get busted, just my thoughts,regards wayne.
 
So...a lot of this stuff is over my head. But the way I see is...a deer has a better nose than a dog by a good bit. A deer relies on its nose to stay alive. A dog smells and tracks things not to stay alive, but it’s just what it’s bred to do. Both animals have no problem smelling smells I an unbelievable degree that peak their interest. Whether that interest is to stay alive or to do a job. The specific smell for the respective animal will have its attention.
Bottom line is that the guys in the tree were detected by the dog. Without really any problems. A deer will very likely have detected the guy in the tree faster, there’s really no debate in that.
My best guess to what a deer thinks when it smells something is....”can I eat what I’m smelling, will what’s smelling try to kill me or is what’s smelling ready to have sex with me.” I’d think that deer will rate those smells with obvious priorities. The deer that have their priorities messed up don’t last long on most properties. Deer likely smell these smells with mind boggling accuracy. Why? Cuz their lives depend on it.
I’m well aware that there’s people with waaay more dog knowledge and deer knowledge than me. But I do have a good bit of hunting knowledge on my side. I’ve done the scent free thing to the best of my abilities. Shower, face mask, breath spray, I shave my head (not just for hunting). I’ve done it all. I’m here to say, it’s a waste of time. I do nothing now but wear rubber boots and have the same if not better results now that I pay more attention to the wind and have more knowledge with the thermal activity.
I’m convinced that eberharts success has a lot to do how high he is in a tree....and some other misleading stuff. But I’m not commenting on that mess.
Guys- this is my best advice, take it or leave it. Learn more and spend more time on woodsmanship skills and deer behavior and less time buying crap that doesn’t work and getting sold on hogwash marketing tactics.
I’m sorry to say that there are shot cuts. Spend time in the woods observe deer behavior with an open mind and understand that these animals are masters in the game of staying alive. Most of what they do is centered around not being killed.
Fyi woodsmanship skills don’t cost a penny. But they’re hard earned.
 
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