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EZV TIPS PLEASE?

I think I get what you're saying but in my limited time of shooting a multi pin sight, one pin, and the ezv my groups are much tighter with the ezv. Everyone's different tho and like all things finding what works best for each person is key to ones success.

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I would be interested to hear your results after shooting 2-3000 shots through the sight, at unknown ranges, and after shooting at several deer.
 
I would be interested to hear your results after shooting 2-3000 shots through the sight, at unknown ranges, and after shooting at several deer.
It's going to take me a while but when I get to that point I'll report back!

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When I tried it last year, I put one of those paper targets on my cube target. I walked around at random yards and angles and shot into the target. Problem was I shot one square, moved over and back for a quartering away shot, and hit the previous arrow and broke it in half. So I had no problems with the paper target. Problem was of the 3 arrows I let fly at deer did not produce the same results. There is a chance 2 of the 3 were altered by branches. But it shook my confidence some. It's still on the shelf and may end up on my bow again. But try moving around and not just shooting the same basic shoots. A 3D target sounds like a great idea.
 
this was true for me but only when shooting at a dot. Once I moved to the 3D target it seemed like I was stacking arrows right where they needed to be.

the advantage of this sight to me isn’t extreme accuracy, it’s being good enough to kill the deer at any reasonable distance without having to range the animal, almost 10 out of 10 times. Still practicing on that.

how has your level of precision changed since you started using the sight?
 
Unless you have bad eyesight, be prepared to become less precise over the sum total of every shot you take. This may or may not change your levels of hunting success.
What do you mean? Are you saying if you have bad eye sight you will be accurate? Or that if you have great eye sight your accuracy will diminish? Sorry if this is confusing.
 
What do you mean? Are you saying if you have bad eye sight you will be accurate? Or that if you have great eye sight your accuracy will diminish? Sorry if this is confusing.

I’m saying folks with bad eyesight seem to gain an advantage by not having to fight focus on a pin and a deer, by using the EZV.

For everyone else, I’m fairly certain that across time they’re going to be a worse shot, assuming they’re using the “range” function of the sight.
 
I’m saying folks with bad eyesight seem to gain an advantage by not having to fight focus on a pin and a deer, by using the EZV.

For everyone else, I’m fairly certain that across time they’re going to be a worse shot, assuming they’re using the “range” function of the sight.
Ahhhhh. Thank you sir. Makes sense. Their ocular clarity may not be as good anymore. I see this a lot with guys going from iron sights to a red dot on a pistol or rifle also. Focus on one target (just vitals) instead of two (pin and target). I wonder if there are guys with that many reps on the EZV to ask About accuracy degradation. Maybe the owner or the Ranch Fairy or some sleeper cell killer on here.
 
Ahhhhh. Thank you sir. Makes sense. Their ocular clarity may not be as good anymore. I see this a lot with guys going from iron sights to a red dot on a pistol or rifle also. Focus on one target (just vitals) instead of two (pin and target). I wonder if there are guys with that many reps on the EZV to ask About accuracy degradation. Maybe the owner or the Ranch Fairy or some sleeper cell killer on here.

i don’t need to ask someone else. I performed the experiment myself. But I am curious to see if anyone else gets there.
 
A 40 yard shot at a deer would be an absolute poke for me. I’ve only been shooting this sight for a couple months now. My level of precision is pretty comparable to a multi pin. Probably slightly less when shooting dots. But what really does it for me is the the ability to skip the entire digital range finding step. So I guess my shot efficiency has gone up dramatically while my precision is comparable or slightly not as good. It’s like I’m shooting 1.25 MOA in a 2 second shot cycle as opposed to 1 MOA in a 7 second shot cycle. Just an arbitrary made up example of the efficiency gains I am taking about.
 
i don’t need to ask someone else. I performed the experiment myself. But I am curious to see if anyone else gets there.
Do you have more of an issue with the ranging function then? As in it's not accurate and that's causing the shots to be inaccurate?

I shoot a red dot on my handguns and rifles way better then irons just due to the ease and ability to focus on the target only. I think that's why I like the ezv over pins. I basically shoot it the same way.

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I don't think I've come anywhere close to 3k shots but I've been using the ezv for 3 years coming up on 4. Every living thing I've shot at has hit the mark and 3d target accuracy is on time. If I shoot at bag/block target dots than a pin sight is more accurate.
 
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Do you have more of an issue with the ranging function then? As in it's not accurate and that's causing the shots to be inaccurate?

I shoot a red dot on my handguns and rifles way better then irons just due to the ease and ability to focus on the target only. I think that's why I like the ezv over pins. I basically shoot it the same way.

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It’s not accuracy. It’s precision. And it’s over time. Again, I’m conceding that it may never impact your hunting success positively or negatively. But my hunch after messing with it, is that over time it won’t make things better. But it’s a broader topic than this thread. I’ve got a handful of posts and threads on the topic.
 
It’s not accuracy. It’s precision. And it’s over time. Again, I’m conceding that it may never impact your hunting success positively or negatively. But my hunch after messing with it, is that over time it won’t make things better. But it’s a broader topic than this thread. I’ve got a handful of posts and threads on the topic.
I get what you're saying. And can definitely see your point now. Thanks for clarifying!

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For clarity’s sake let go a little deeper into accuracy vs precision…..

Precision is a group with all arrows touching.

Accuracy is a group with all arrows close to or in the bullseye.

A 5 arrow Robin Hood 10” high and 17” left is precise AF, but not worth a damn until you adjust it into the bullseye and that time it becomes accurate AF along with being precise.

Bottom line? Accuracy trumps precision. And with the EZV you WILL sacrifice some precision.
 
For clarity’s sake let go a little deeper into accuracy vs precision…..

Precision is a group with all arrows touching.

Accuracy is a group with all arrows close to or in the bullseye.

A 5 arrow Robin Hood 10” high and 17” left is precise AF, but not worth a damn until you adjust it into the bullseye and that time it becomes accurate AF along with being precise.

Bottom line? Accuracy trumps precision. And with the EZV you WILL sacrifice some precision.

Do you think there’s a lot of hunters who can stack arrows with a well tuned bow and arrow and shooting form leave for the woods with their stack of arrows hitting 12” from the bullseye?

I bet there’s a lot more that think spraying arrows in a 12 circle from 20 yards is good enough to go hunt.

I know which group of hunters I’m putting my money on.

for the record, I don’t find an issue with either. But to say that precision is trumped by accuracy leaves out a lot of important details. The most important of which is the amount of randomness in a dynamic situation like hunting. There’s hundreds of inputs you can’t control in the few seconds it takes to draw and shoot at an animal. The more variables you can control, the more arrows will find their mark.

consistency.
 
For clarity’s sake let go a little deeper into accuracy vs precision…..

Precision is a group with all arrows touching.

Accuracy is a group with all arrows close to or in the bullseye.

A 5 arrow Robin Hood 10” high and 17” left is precise AF, but not worth a damn until you adjust it into the bullseye and that time it becomes accurate AF along with being precise.

Bottom line? Accuracy trumps precision. And with the EZV you WILL sacrifice some precision.
This is a perfect analogy. I deal with firearms and always remind people the AR-15 is not a precision rifle. It is a “hit a humanoid torso” effectively and accurately rifle.

So to combine this statement and @_Dario comment on time splits is exactly why I run the site and love it.

It is fast and accurate, but not slow and precise.

I also feel that if @kyler1945 has that many reps on the EZV you should do some form of study or comparison on the deterioration of accuracy versus a pin over X amount of time and what that erosion potentially equates to.

For example: Like an IDPA or USPSA shooting competition. Get a shot timer and a target at 10/20/30/40/50/60 yards and time yourself shooting with the EZV. Then record hits like a 3D match. Repeat with pin then compare times and scores. I went through this process when the RMR became an option on Glock pistols. People were wondering if it was worth it versus iron sights. In the end it was so close it came down to whatever each individual wanted to run but there was no leaps and bounds clear cut winner. I’m just brainstorming. Something like that though maybe. I do not have that many reps on mine but I’m getting there. Do you work at a shop or are you a pro outdoorsman or guide? Congratulations on doing that. That’s bad azz.
 
This is a perfect analogy. I deal with firearms and always remind people the AR-15 is not a precision rifle. It is a “hit a humanoid torso” effectively and accurately rifle.

So to combine this statement and @_Dario comment on time splits is exactly why I run the site and love it.

It is fast and accurate, but not slow and precise.

I also feel that if @kyler1945 has that many reps on the EZV you should do some form of study or comparison on the deterioration of accuracy versus a pin over X amount of time and what that erosion potentially equates to.

For example: Like an IDPA or USPSA shooting competition. Get a shot timer and a target at 10/20/30/40/50/60 yards and time yourself shooting with the EZV. Then record hits like a 3D match. Repeat with pin then compare times and scores. I went through this process when the RMR became an option on Glock pistols. People were wondering if it was worth it versus iron sights. In the end it was so close it came down to whatever each individual wanted to run but there was no leaps and bounds clear cut winner. I’m just brainstorming. Something like that though maybe. I do not have that many reps on mine but I’m getting there. Do you work at a shop or are you a pro outdoorsman or guide? Congratulations on doing that. That’s bad azz.

Interesting.

For novice shooters, do you think irons benefit those with bad form, forcing them to aim?

Whereas more refined shooters may be even faster with dot sights, which aim more simply. Seems thats what the comp guys run. IDK, I don't really follow that stuff. Probably proficient iron sight shooters won't loose much given their developed proficiency.

Familiarity with oneself and one's optic is always important, no matter the optics choice.

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Seems that the main benefit of the EZV is range compensation...I know the heavy arrow craze is So'popular but the counter argument is....it requires range compensation.

I'll give up some mac truck factor to hit where I aim easier; why I don't run an EZV, or sling heavyweights.
 
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