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This gives me serious pause!
I am surprised this hasn’t gotten more attention.
If it doesn’t resolve, check out the thread
Anyone climbing on Oplux yet?
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I am surprised this hasn’t gotten more attention.
Anyone climbing on Oplux yet?
For some background, I started SRT/RAD climbing on Samson Predator with Petzl ascender and rig descender/work position device about 3 1/2 years ago. I liked the setup a lot, but its heavy and bulky to pack, esp long distances. About mid season last year I transitioned to Sterling 9mm htp and a...
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If it doesn’t resolve, check out the thread
Anyone climbing on Oplux yet?
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Tagging [mention]Jason 47201 [/mention] and [mention]DanO [/mention]
this thread is discussing oplux used as a tether, which per the thread/post you reference remains an OK use, as it's a static rope, not a dynamic climbing rope. i have no plans to get rid of my tether, linesman, or bridge, all oplux. I have seen posts about people using it as a climbing rope, that's their decision but not manufacturer recommended. should i chose to try SRT/DRT, i personally would be using a different rope designed for that purpose.
I would hazard a guess that there are people here that are using oplux for SRT/DRT and I think that they should be made aware of this information. If true, this should be some sticky somewhere!
And Sterling does not mention to not use for climbing either on the page or in their video.
Sterling | OpLux Tactical Rope - SterlingRope.com
OpLux is an all-purpose tactical rope that features high-strength, cut-resistant Spectra fibers in the core combined with a blended Technora sheath.
People should explicitly be told it is not for “climbing”, whatever activities that includes, if indeed that is the case.
Plus, hearing that info. from a company in the arborist industry makes it all that more meaningful. And who is to say that what was found out by WesSpur was the complete picture of how oplux was failing or how it could fail in the future? None of us really know the answer to that.
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I think that it is intellectually easier for people to discount this incident as fraud or incompetence just so they can go about using all the oplux they have already purchased. And using it without giving careful consideration that it may, just may be an issue with the rope.
I followed the FB thread and looked into the guy on FB. I did not find any evidence of either fraud or incompetence. And the misspellings, heck, even Tethrd autocorrects for me too. And the guy was probably on medications when he tried to share that info. with the community. Tried to do a good deed and then all that judgement heaped upon him by internet yahoo’s.
I did not find any evidence contrary to that either.
In any case, I think the community should do more research on the use of oplux.
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Has there been a statement from Sterling?
They say it’s tactical rope with a 5,440 lb break strength. Whatever that means...
I feel better using Oplux than amsteel.
has there been any other claims of breakage other than this single case?
he did not post pictures or come back to update. I call BS on his claims
They say it’s tactical rope with a 5,440 lb break strength. Whatever that means...
I feel better using Oplux than amsteel.
has there been any other claims of breakage other than this single case?
he did not post pictures or come back to update. I call BS on his claims
I had no idea....I gonna swap everything over to taticool rope
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Someone with more familiarity please correct me, but the term “climbing rope” as it relates to this topic refers to rock climbing type of activities. As far as I can tell no one has said that Oplux is not recommended for rappelling (SRT/DRT). I think it takes a bit of parsing to make sense of the warning from Wesspur, but that’s how I interpret it.
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They way i read it is because sterling also makes ropes for the climbing industry(meaning the sport) they are differentiating tactical ropes from dynamic climbing ropes in the specification that tact ropes can be used for static applications such rescue setups, static ascents, rapelling, z drags and other hauling systems etc. It is not made to absorb a fall as it probably has such a super low elongation rate...
But we all know static ropes aren't for climbing, right?????? As in rock climbing, or any circumstance where it will be used to arrest a fall, coming from not weighted, to fully rated in an instance....
If the rope itself failed, I would have my money on improper care due to exposure to chemicals, nick from broadhead, bad spotnfrom repetitive ropeman use in the past, etc.... And lack of regular visual inspections..
I've said it before.....professional ropes don't just fail in proper applications with proper care.
If anyone is worried about their application of oplux, just call sterling, their the experts, not me or anyone. . Their good peeps, ive been to the factory in Maine.
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See comment I just made above.
Guys - one thing to keep in mind that Oplux is from the best that I can tell (including descriptions from dealers and specs, but not explicit communication from sterling) the "tactical colorway" of canyonlux, which is a canyoneering rope. Normal uses of such a rope would include SRT ascents, but not catching falls.
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Tether spelled Tethrd? Sterling spelled Sperling. Something seems strange here.
Specifics would be nice. I will continue to use OpLux as a tether and LB until Sterling sends out a stop all use memorandum.
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Specifics would be nice. I will continue to use OpLux as a tether and LB until Sterling sends out a stop all use memorandum.
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The entire arborist industry "climbs" on static rope. When Wesspur (an arborist supply company) is saying Oplux is not for "climbing", he is not talking about rock climbing or dynamic rope (I don't even think they sell dynamic rope on their site). He is saying it is not safe to use for SRT or DRT tree climbing. Also, rappel is NOT the same thing as SRT or DRT climbing.
Oplux is below spec for what the arborist industry would consider to be safe based off MBS. It is below spec for most belay devises which we use for RADS style climbing, and the sheath on it seems like it would be trashed by any ascenders (commonly used in SRT climbing).
Fine to use as a tether, a lanyard, and as a belay rope (though I would suggest you use a figure 8 backed up by a hitch).
Oplux is below spec for what the arborist industry would consider to be safe based off MBS. It is below spec for most belay devises which we use for RADS style climbing, and the sheath on it seems like it would be trashed by any ascenders (commonly used in SRT climbing).
Fine to use as a tether, a lanyard, and as a belay rope (though I would suggest you use a figure 8 backed up by a hitch).
That's all true...and why this whole situation is strange - as canyonlux is also a canyoneering rope. There are a lot of devices out of spec...and some in-spec. It would be wonderful to have more details.
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Just to add to my post, I think Wesspur is looking at this from the POV of "is this safe for an arborist to use" and their answer is no.
As non-professionals, we have to choose how much risk to take.
I tend to be risk averse, so I won't use Oplux for much of anything (though I do have it as a backup bridge). I climb (SRT RADS) on HTP 10mm rope and use redundant bridges and redundant tethers when I am at height.
Others comfortable with slightly higher risk might choose to use Oplux only for tether or for rappel with approved devices.
Others might choose to use Oplux as their climb rope with toothed ascenders or outside of spec belay devices.
Each of us have to decide our level of risk. Wesspur as a business primarily supporting climbing arborists is gonna be low risk.
As non-professionals, we have to choose how much risk to take.
I tend to be risk averse, so I won't use Oplux for much of anything (though I do have it as a backup bridge). I climb (SRT RADS) on HTP 10mm rope and use redundant bridges and redundant tethers when I am at height.
Others comfortable with slightly higher risk might choose to use Oplux only for tether or for rappel with approved devices.
Others might choose to use Oplux as their climb rope with toothed ascenders or outside of spec belay devices.
Each of us have to decide our level of risk. Wesspur as a business primarily supporting climbing arborists is gonna be low risk.