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Friction Hitches

Regarding the recent and healthy discussion on what we mean by SELF TENDING, I have given that some thought and also chatted with a few experts and updated my DICTIONARY which already had these terms, but I realized we needed more detail. For example, 'self tending' means something slightly different in the context of a climbing system vs a hitch.

Here's the link so you can see any changes we make based on your feedback. You can message me directly with any comments if ya prefer. This thread is about friction hitches and I don't want to clutter it up with anything not related to friction hitches.

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tend / tender/ self tending
Tend: An action/verb causing the movement of a friction device in a desired direction. In rope climbing ascent, the friction device is tended upward for progress capture, removing / minimizing slack in the system.
Tender (or Tending Device) is a device which tends a friction hitch in the desired direction. Pulleys, rings and carabiners are commonly employed as tenders.
Self Tending: The literal definition applies : Tends itself. In the context of describing a system vs a hitch, there are subtle differences.
Self Tending System: A self tending system has automatic progress capture, requiring no manual action to advance the friction device. Example: “Double Blake’s Hitch MRS System”. Note that a self tending system might use a tender.
Self Tending Friction Hitch: One which allows the removal of slack with only one hand by pulling on the tag end of the rope and without the use of a tender. Example 1: Shorten a Tether or Lineman’s belt with one hand. Example 2: Climber is connected to the tree via a friction hitch to a Lifeline which is secured to the tree. Climber steps up, introducing slack, and pulls the tag end of the rope outward and upward, removing the slack with one hand.

progress capture – Automatic consumption of slack, or minimization thereof, typically in the context of ascent, pulling and rigging applications. Example: An MRS climber has the option to either manually advance (tend) the friction hitch after each pull, or to rig the system for progress capture (self tending).

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gcr0003 said:
You responded to my tending/prusik rant, not the other way around. I don’t care what anyone on here decides to use. I made the point that “self tending” is not very functional on a primary tether and you agreed.

This could be regardless of whether it’s a prusik or not. It was sort of two arguments that morphed into one I.e. a prusik is easy to adjust but you have to use two hands and take weight off. Other hitches are not easy adjust or “tend” one handed and you still have to take weight off. If you use two hands, holding the rope and pushing the hitch up with the other hand is easier then trying to tend it.
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My 1/4” amsteel full bury tether with Prusik from Amsteel guy(maybe a swabish, I’ll double check) both tends and breaks way easier one handed than a Ropeman. It’s enough advantage that I usually use that to ascend then switch to my rappel with Ropeman when I get to height.
 
gcr0003 said:
Dang that’s too bad. I would have enjoyed watching you try to self tend your hitch after putting your full body weight on it. Thats my point exactly. No one is self tending a hitch on their main tether without some struggle or some muscle with or without a tender to aid. To me that is not easier than moving the hitch up with both hands. And if you’re going to move a hitch up with both hands because it’s easier, the prusik is the easiest.
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I’ve been using the soft stitch since Brocky sent it to me, I use it on my main tether one sticking, and on my detachable bridges, both will tend one handed very easy after full body load is applied. 8mm restec bridges with 6mm trc and on 9mm htp with 7mm Sterling! These combos work perfectly one handed for me.
 
I started working with the Sticht and I guess between my OCD with symmetry and struggling to get it tied right I ended up with this. In my practice so far it seems to work well. Instead of the overhand, I tied it off with a double fishermans knot. I assume it has a name?? Do one of you all know what it is called?
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Back before tying off
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Back tied off
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Under tension
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I wrapped the Distel a little different than "standard". Not sure if I have the "language" right, but I think it's called a three over two??
 
I'm interested to hear as well. I have little knowledge. For me, this seemed to break a little easier.
 
It doesn’t seem to bind as much as the standard method, I use a dogbone tender on a Distel, stoppers in back seem to drag too much, might be due to the Distel’s simple structure.
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A couple more tending options, top one is getting the Double Fishermen’s of a longer loop, to multitask, just weave the rope through a couple of times.
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I wanted to tie the bottom hitch, which tends okay, but mistakenly made the top one, easy tending, and it doesn’t bind like a regular Prusik.
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This explains it pretty good, from The Tree Climbers Companion, 2nd edition, there is, or is going to be a 3rd ed., looks to be much updated from the previous edition.
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I did 6 wraps and sewed the ends down after passing them through the eye, tidied it up and keeps some bend in it also.
 
Brocky said:
This explains it pretty good, from The Tree Climbers Companion, 2nd edition, there is, or is going to be a 3rd ed., looks to be much updated from the previous edition.
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I did 6 wraps and sewed the ends down after passing them through the eye, tidied it up and keeps some bend in it also.
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Awesome, thank you! Made a couple of.these and plan to try them out.
 
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