Im curious to try this as well. Almost see the limits of deflection. Zach from hunting public made a shot this year I believe and said he only took the shot through some grass or brush because he had practiced some in the offseason shooting through some sunflower leaves with a single bevel and Im assuming "heavy" setup.
It's not minimize the importance of the studies at all, at least not for me. But I'm not smashing through Asiatic buffalo. I'm shooting deer at 25 yds. I figure if I adhere to the penetration principals while I taylor my setup to the type of hunting I do, the deer and I will be much happier for it. I figure anything in the mid to high 600s for me will be fine. I may even try to take a few lbs off the 70# compound. For my 40# recurve I may take that down into the low to mid 600s. Max range 15 yds with that. But all the same principals apply.
Not really.
I did, and I read nearly all the reports, not every update....YET. But even Dr. Ed groups weights into game species 650 minimum, 950 for stuff like buffalo, and 1250 for hippos and elephants, and my x mother in law.
I've read all his reports and listened to the first podcast and was surprised to hear how much he had done with bullets. I'll probably knock the second one out tomorrow at work.
What's nice is the ideas work for everybody no matter your bow setup. There's no down side that I can think of. Speed and trajectory? Range estimation? Those are skill sets we as bow hunters have had to master from the beginning. No short cuts. Now just do it with an arrow that is built using the principals.
Agreed. I do believe though, that the ezv site and Garmin xero are actually both shortcuts to Speed/trajectory and Range estimation and help tremendously when it comes to heavy arrows. It takes a bunch of work to learn and set them up, but once you dial them in for your bow poundage/arrow weight/trajectory, they eliminate range estimation and automatically calculate trajectory. I've never had an issue hitting at or near the right spot when meat hunting, but when the 150+ walks in front me, I like using all the advantage I can, especially as I increase arrow weight dramatically.
I agree 100%. I meant more the short cut of bow tuning and arrow building. Getting a properly built arrow (12 principals )to the animal in such a way that it maximizes it's lethality. The bow, the rest, the sight, stabilizers, all individual choices. All of which each person decides on on their own, whether or not it helps them get the arrow to the animal so we can humanely kill animals we hunt. The Ranch fairy mentioned watching hunting videos and to be aware of the animals reaction after arrow impact. If heavier arrows with a cut on contact head cause less... what? Awareness of the hit, pain, suffering, prolonged death, If all I have to do is build a different arrow to reduce any of that, or even the probability that I could reduce or eliminate any of that, why wouldn't I? In fact for me I can't not do it now. I learned there's a better way for the animal, what does that mean for the relationship I share with the animals I hunt If I know it's better and I don't do it different. It's about respect for me. I don't mind killing deer, but I don't ever need to have another year like the one I just had. I know it's part of our sport, and there are no guarantees, but I'll reduce the odds as much as possible with knowledge and action.
I think this is one of the most overlooked advantages of an Ashby style setup. When I started my journey down this road I was looking to get a more consistent exit wound to improve tracking. To my surprise most of the time you don't even have to track them. If you don't hit bone on exit the deer just don't know they are hit.
Definitely eye opening. It makes me want to spend more money on TDT tapered shafts. I have 250 spine shafts I'm working with, and with a high FoC and a cut on contact head, I'm looking to slip it through them like an iron pipe.
Wow John.
