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Guns that Won’t Group

Good point! Some rifles are produced to have a pressure point at the forend, like Remington 700's. Some shoot great if you remove that bump and free-float it, but others get worse. Sometimes factory is the best way to go. Do you have the factory stock?

The gun shot the same before and after new stock.
 
It’s free floated. Except for a about a half inch in front of the action there is bedding. That is how the factory bedding was and how it was suggested to be done in the aftermarket stock. Would it be worth grinding that bit out?
I would glass bed the action and then free float the intirel barrel....
 
It’s free floated. Except for a about a half inch in front of the action there is bedding. That is how the factory bedding was and how it was suggested to be done in the aftermarket stock. Would it be worth grinding that bit out?
You're talking chamber area on barrel? That should be bedded.
 
The gun shot the same before and after new stock.
No way I would have upgraded the stock on a rifle shooting that bad. I’ve never seen a rifle improve by more than a half moa (off bags not bipod) by changing out stocks. I would borrow a scope, let someone else shoot the rifle, sale it , or be happy limiting yourself to hundred yard shots. What caliber is your friends rifles you shot moa with?
If you borrow a scope you don’t even have to sight it in literally mark where it sat on another rifle, remove the scope and put it on your rifle. Place it on sand bags and pull the bolt to see about where it will hit. You can tell if it’s going to be far off. Put a large target at 25 yards and fire a shot. You can either make an adjustment and count the clicks or just use Kentucky windage. Move the target to 50 and shoot again if it was hitting high and right by six inches or so just aim at the bottom left corner of the target. And fire a group. If it’s shooting sub1” at 50?move it to 100. If it’s shooting 2” at 50 let a proven shooter shoot a group with it and see what they get. If it still shoots bad for them it’s something with the rifle. You can put the borrowed scope back on your friends rifle. He shouldn’t have to fire more than a couple rounds to re zero it.
At this point we know it’s something to do with the rifle. At that point I would sell it. Even if it’s as similar or as cleaning up the crown you will not have confidence in the gun. It’s hard to shoot an animal with a weapon you don’t have confidence in v
 
No way I would have upgraded the stock on a rifle shooting that bad. I’ve never seen a rifle improve by more than a half moa (off bags not bipod) by changing out stocks. I would borrow a scope, let someone else shoot the rifle, sale it , or be happy limiting yourself to hundred yard shots. What caliber is your friends rifles you shot moa with?
If you borrow a scope you don’t even have to sight it in literally mark where it sat on another rifle, remove the scope and put it on your rifle. Place it on sand bags and pull the bolt to see about where it will hit. You can tell if it’s going to be far off. Put a large target at 25 yards and fire a shot. You can either make an adjustment and count the clicks or just use Kentucky windage. Move the target to 50 and shoot again if it was hitting high and right by six inches or so just aim at the bottom left corner of the target. And fire a group. If it’s shooting sub1” at 50?move it to 100. If it’s shooting 2” at 50 let a proven shooter shoot a group with it and see what they get. If it still shoots bad for them it’s something with the rifle. You can put the borrowed scope back on your friends rifle. He shouldn’t have to fire more than a couple rounds to re zero it.
At this point we know it’s something to do with the rifle. At that point I would sell it. Even if it’s as similar or as cleaning up the crown you will not have confidence in the gun. It’s hard to shoot an animal with a weapon you don’t have confidence in v
Excellent advice, there's plenty of cheap rifles that will drive tacks if you can't get it shooting well. If you change rifles have a look at a tikka t3 , howa or any of the savages
 
Excellent advice, there's plenty of cheap rifles that will drive tacks if you can't get it shooting well. If you change rifles have a look at a tikka t3 , howa or any of the savages
I bought a Tikka T3 superlite in 6.5 and it's a tac driver
 
I have tried 150, 165, 168, 180 so far.

Everything is loctited down.

I’m going to try some more this weekend. I may hit ya up.

Thanks
I have a pre-64 model 70 30.06 and its money. Either there something in your rifling (corrosion, nick, etc) or, and it's my bet, it's your scope. My dad had a Bushnell (back when they were the Cadillac of scopes and his ended up floating on him. Replaced it with a Tasco and problem solved.

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Hows the crown on it look? That B&C stock glass or pillar bedded? Get it glass bedded if not. barrel should be free floated OEM on that configuration, run a piece of 100grit underneath it to make sure.

Put a leupold VXII on it and call it good.
Leupold's are the s**t. Best scope I've ever owned. It is residing on my 30.06 now and have not had to adjust it since I mounted it 10 yrs ago, even after riding in my car/truck on the bouncy mtn rds. Lights up the woods at dawn and dusk. Best scope ever.

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Most of the time it isn’t the gun it has been well kept. Most grouping problems occur from the scope/ rings/ bases in my opinion. I’d start at the base and rings since it’s the cheapest fix. Lots of people mount a quality scope with junk rings. And everything needs to be torqued properly for the scope to function correctly. Lots of over tightened rings out there.

Same thing with the stock screws. Find the correct torque specks.

I didn’t read every post so I apologize if this has been brought up already.
 
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I did a deep clean on the rifle. I cleaned the barrel then let it soak for a day in solvent and cleaned again. I was surprised how much copper came out the next day.

I tried out some 165grn federal Nosler accubonds. I didn’t have a sled this time but was able to get 1” three shot groups at 100yds and ~5” three shot groups at 400yds prone off a backpack. It was breezy too.

There may be some hope with this rifle and factory ammo after all.
 
Winchester Model 70
ultimate shadow 30-06 ss
Zeiss conquest 4.5x14x44
Bell and carlson medalist stock
Dnz scope mount


Has anyone come across a gun that simply won’t shoot factory ammo? An Idaho mule deer hunt has me at it again.

I have been trying to get my only rifle to put a group together. I have tried around 7 different weights and varieties of ammunition with the best 3 shot group of about 3” at 100yds with 165gn Hornady Superformance. That’s waiting to completely cool down between each shot.

I can shoot friends rifles well under 1moa. I am starting to wonder if my scope is bad. I don’t have another scope to try

Has anyone else run into this?
I have this same rifle. I shoot 180 grain Remingtons with good groups at 125 yards. I wouldn’t shoot decent groups one year and I bore sight it. Turns out the scope was moving in the mount.
 
Follow up:

I did a deep clean on the rifle. I cleaned the barrel then let it soak for a day in solvent and cleaned again. I was surprised how much copper came out the next day.

I tried out some 165grn federal Nosler accubonds. I didn’t have a sled this time but was able to get 1” three shot groups at 100yds and ~5” three shot groups at 400yds prone off a backpack. It was breezy too.

There may be some hope with this rifle and factory ammo after all.
That's what I'm talking about, good news indeed
 
Follow up:

I did a deep clean on the rifle. I cleaned the barrel then let it soak for a day in solvent and cleaned again. I was surprised how much copper came out the next day.

I tried out some 165grn federal Nosler accubonds. I didn’t have a sled this time but was able to get 1” three shot groups at 100yds and ~5” three shot groups at 400yds prone off a backpack. It was breezy too.

There may be some hope with this rifle and factory ammo after all.

Just for clarification, the only change you made was the solvent soak? Just curious because there are a million theories about barrel fouling and accuracy. Rarely do any ever seem to have actual real life test data.
 
Just for clarification, the only change you made was the solvent soak? Just curious because there are a million theories about barrel fouling and accuracy. Rarely do any ever seem to have actual real life test data.

The barrel soak and a new type of factory ammo. It could have just been the latter.
 
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