Heavy arrow bone breaking results on large deer

[boyne bowhunter]

IMO as long as it's good steel I don't think the broadhead manufacturer makes much difference...I'm not trying to pimp grizzlystik...they just have good videos. Grizzlystik and tuffhead utube channels have great information.

I listen to some podcast the other night and RF said there is a video (hopefully posted to Ashby foundation) where a fmj arrow with a 200gr broadhead failed on entry on some african animal and the arrow stopped with only inches of penetration but the insert and broadhead had a pass thru when they separated from the shaft..

I wasn't referring specifically to the Grizzly Stik but rather the change to a heavier single bevel COC head. Honestly, I also changed my arrow setup to a stiffer spline, lighter gpi arrow moving my FOC from about 7% to above 17%. Ultimately I only increased my total arrow weight about 20gns (from 510 to 530) so my trajectory has not changed much but they sure seem to hit with more uummppf (technical term).

 

[MattMan81]

Here's what is not bone breaking power. My dad cleaned the closet out at home. Lots of Easton 2117 aluminum arrows we use to shoot. I check one of the arrows I shot a nice buck with back when I was younger. About 33" OAL, 544ish grain. 7% FOC on a old slow bow. What does that get you at about 28 yards on a full size Buck??? Zero penatration. I hit him up front, probably to far forward. But he ran off with my arrow hanging down. No blood. Never found the arrow. Doubt I got any kinda penatration. No idea where he went when he got back in the woods. Probably not the most tuned arrow. That was a sad day. The bow was so quiet I did get two shots at him. I panicked with big time buck fever and sent one about 10' in front of him at a 12yrd chip shot. He ran back to about 28yrds broadside. Started sniffing does again, and sent one right into the shoulder. I was pretty sad that night. That was probably 25 years ago. Still remember it like it was yesterday.

 

[Allegheny Tom]

Here's what is not bone breaking power. My dad cleaned the closet out at home. Lots of Easton 2117 aluminum arrows we use to shoot. I check one of the arrows I shot a nice buck with back when I was younger. About 33" OAL, 544ish grain. 7% FOC on a old slow bow. What does that get you at about 28 yards on a full size Buck??? Zero penatration. I hit him up front, probably to far forward. But he ran off with my arrow hanging down. No blood. Never found the arrow. Doubt I got any kinda penatration. No idea where he went when he got back in the woods. Probably not the most tuned arrow. That was a sad day. The bow was so quiet I did get two shots at him. I panicked with big time buck fever and sent one about 10' in front of him at a 12yrd chip shot. He ran back to about 28yrds broadside. Started sniffing does again, and sent one right into the shoulder. I was pretty sad that night. That was probably 25 years ago. Still remember it like it was yesterday.

It would have been nice to find the arrow, or more specifically, the broadhead in order to analyze how it held up. We can shoot a well tuned 650 grain arrow with 20% FOC, but if there is any failure or bending of the head upon impact, it ain't gonna penetrate.

 

[Maverick1]

For those that have broke through heavy bone (humerus or knuckle near humerus) please provide:
rough arrow speed
Arrow weight
broadhead type
rough weight

291 FPS
425 grains. (Total weight)
4 blade, fixed

Have taken 30 animals with this setup, including deer, elk, bear, and moose. Most have been complete pass throughs. A couple were not. When the arrow hits the mark, there have been no problems. When it hasn’t been perfect, I have not been happy, but I have been happy with the setup and the results.

Effective on the following:
Center-punching moose/elk/deer/bear ribs on way in and out. Very large animals.
Going through deer shoulder blade, puncturing lungs
Going through 400lb bear shoulder blade and opposite side leg

 

[MattMan81]

It would have been nice to find the arrow, or more specifically, the broadhead in order to analyze how it held up. We can shoot a well tuned 650 grain arrow with 20% FOC, but if there is any failure or bending of the head upon impact, it ain't gonna penetrate.

I was shooting the old wasp 3 blade broadheads. The blades were razors. I cut my finger on one and it bleed. But the center on those things were pretty stout if I remember. But that 100gr up front, low FOC, and who knows how well it was tuned did not end well. I missed a few deer with it. That was the only one I connected on. The bow also had the wrong size string on it to shorten the draw lenght. So to time the cams, one limb was turned all the way in, and the other was turned out some. I can't imagine what that must have looked like going through paper.

 

[BTaylor]

I was shooting the old wasp 3 blade broadheads. The blades were razors. I cut my finger on one and it bleed. But the center on those things were pretty stout if I remember. But that 100gr up front, low FOC, and who knows how well it was tuned did not end well. I missed a few deer with it. That was the only one I connected on. The bow also had the wrong size string on it to shorten the draw lenght. So to time the cams, one limb was turned all the way in, and the other was turned out some. I can't imagine what that must have looked like going through paper.

I was going to say I would bet that shot was a combination of shot placement and tune more so than anything else. I shot 2117's paired with thunderheads for a long time but more in the 225-240 range speed wise. Shot through a pile of deer with them at all sorts of angles with all sorts of different bone contacts. A spine shot is the only one I remember not being a complete pass through.

 

[raisins]

Here's what is not bone breaking power. My dad cleaned the closet out at home. Lots of Easton 2117 aluminum arrows we use to shoot. I check one of the arrows I shot a nice buck with back when I was younger. About 33" OAL, 544ish grain. 7% FOC on a old slow bow. What does that get you at about 28 yards on a full size Buck??? Zero penatration. I hit him up front, probably to far forward. But he ran off with my arrow hanging down. No blood. Never found the arrow. Doubt I got any kinda penatration. No idea where he went when he got back in the woods. Probably not the most tuned arrow. That was a sad day. The bow was so quiet I did get two shots at him. I panicked with big time buck fever and sent one about 10' in front of him at a 12yrd chip shot. He ran back to about 28yrds broadside. Started sniffing does again, and sent one right into the shoulder. I was pretty sad that night. That was probably 25 years ago. Still remember it like it was yesterday.

I don't know, I sent a lot of XX75 2413 aluminums straight through deer back in the day.

 

[ORANGEMAN]

Years ago when I was a very dedicated bowhunter and way before the ranch fairy, I shot a hybrid longbow 56 lbs at 28 inch draw and 650 grain arrow at around 160-170 fps with a grizzly single bevel broadhead. That bow was whisper quiet and the arrow passed through almost every deer I shot. I broke through a few scalpulas (sp?). I would watch most deer die from my Screaming Eagle hang on stand.. I no longer shoot traditional as I got older, weaker, and less accurate. I loved those times. Paul Bruner, Gene Wensel, and his brother Barry were my heros back then. As for now- I am shooting a hickory creek mini crossbow at 150 lb. Draw weight. I am shooting 535 grain 23" arrow at 280 fps. I am using 175 grain Iron Will Broadhead with 100 grain brass insert and Gold tip Hunter xt 250 spine. Only had this whole outfit for about a month or so and haven't hunted with it yet, but I can shoot your eye out at 50 yards with it. I cannot wait until fall! I am certain that this rig will run through anything I am going to encounter. Times certainly have changed.

 

[Wmihunter]

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[Pooh]

I hit 2 scapulas with an off the shelf 400 spine and 100gr fixed head. Both stopped the arrow dead with 0 penetration. So I went about adding 100 grains to the front of a 340 spine arrow hit a shoulder with better results, then I found the RF.
My current arrow is 520ish grains. 29inch draw, 65 pound draw. 260 insert in my ezv. I smacked a 2.5 yr old buck weighted 175ish dead in the scapula. Arrow exited the ribs. He was close 10 yards or so. A doe 110lbs quatered away hard. Arrow entered behind the last rib and burried to the fletch. The broadhead hit the offside leg. At some point cracked the main bone under the scapula and the shaft broke off right behind my ethics insert when she was running... Again I didn't see the fletchings when she ran off but they were barely hanging out. Had i missed that heavy bone the arrow would've passed through. No way I'll go back to a lighter set up

 

[phatkaw]

I loved those times. Paul Bruner, Gene Wensel, and his brother Barry were my heros back then.

I had their video 'Bow Hunting October Whitetails'.
I loved that video!
I have killed a handful of bucks using their ' sneaking through un-cut cornfields' hunting method.

 

[Noonespecial]

For those that have broke through heavy bone (humerus or knuckle near humerus) please provide:
rough arrow speed
Arrow weight
broadhead type
rough weight of the deer (estimate).

I’m gathering some data...thought this would be helpful to others


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Shot many different bows and arrow combinations over the 30 years of bow hunting but always shot Muzzy Broadheads, 29” draw 70lb bow over 400 grain arrow most of the time. I’ve shot a lot of deer in those years too many to remember. Variety of sizes yearlings 75lbs in my early days to bucks almost 300lbs. I have only spined one but it buried into the fletching, broke many shoulders and Always Always got a pass through. Maybe not stuck in the dirt pass through but arrow stuck out the other side pass through. Maybe 3 or 4 deer the arrow didn’t stick in the dirt but it was because it broke both shoulders and the deer dropped or it was a hard quartering to shot that went though the chest and out the hind quarter. Stick with an arrow 450-500 grains a good fixed blade head and you will have no problems. Good luck!

 

[Sbrammer]

Stingers so 4 blade? Has the two large blades with the two small bleeder blades. No damage to the broad head at all btw? Love these broad heads. Just sharped it up and returned it to service.

And a great company btw! This past season I needed some extra broadheads (in case my season was WAY successful) but the ship times were crazy since it was during the season. I ordered the Magnus 100gr stingers from ebay, but I really needed the 125gr. At the end of the season when stock supplies were back up, I simply emailed the company asking them to trade me for the 125gr. Didn't take them a day to respond and say sure just pay the shipping. Now that's customer service!

 

[dougell]

Last year my son grunted in a a big 4.5+ year old buck.He shot it broadside at 25 yards with a 425gr goldtip XT at 290fps and a 100gr black hornet.At the shot,the buck mule kicked and immediately crashed over a steep ledge,out of sight.He immediately texted me,saying he just killed a slammer.I was about 100 yards away and heard the telltale crack of heavy bone being hit.I went down and he directed me to where the buck was standing.A short search turned up his arrow sticking strait up and down.The BH tip was bent badly and was full of hait.Not a drop of blood was on the shaft.The arrow literally bounced off the shoulder of that deer and he's shooting 70# at 27 1/2" with a perfectly tuned bow.I knew the buck wasn't even hurt and we saw him chasing a doe the next sunday and he wasn't even limping.

There's no reason to shoot a deer in the shoulder.I'd really have to see good picture to believe that people get through it.I'm not talking about the scapula but there's no reason to hit that either.In 90+ percent of cases,if you hit the shoulder,you missed.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Last year my son grunted in a a big 4.5+ year old buck.He shot it broadside at 25 yards with a 425gr goldtip XT at 290fps and a 100gr black hornet.At the shot,the buck mule kicked and immediately crashed over a steep ledge,out of sight.He immediately texted me,saying he just killed a slammer.I was about 100 yards away and heard the telltale crack of heavy bone being hit.I went down and he directed me to where the buck was standing.A short search turned up his arrow sticking strait up and down.The BH tip was bent badly and was full of hait.Not a drop of blood was on the shaft.The arrow literally bounced off the shoulder of that deer and he's shooting 70# at 27 1/2" with a perfectly tuned bow.I knew the buck wasn't even hurt and we saw him chasing a doe the next sunday and he wasn't even limping.

There's no reason to shoot a deer in the shoulder.I'd really have to see good picture to believe that people get through it.I'm not talking about the scapula but there's no reason to hit that either.In 90+ percent of cases,if you hit the shoulder,you missed.

I’m trying to reimagine this story but with your son shooting a 575 grain arrow (200 grain single bevel grizzly stik broad head up front with a 75 grain brass insert) instead of that aluminum insert and 100 grain BH. His arrow would only be around 240-250 fps but that exact same shot would have penetrated deep into that shoulder and most likely exited the opposite shoulder. The deer never would have ran because both tires would be blown out and you’d be super excited with that deer on the wall!

 

[slonstdy]

Another painful example proving light weight and speed doesn't kill when things don't go as planned (in this case poor shot placement, either from shooter error or the animal moved) where as a heavier arrow may have made all the difference.

 

[Spence71]

Exactly why I have a set of 650’s with 2 different BHs to try out starting soon. Be the nail or be the hammer. Hahaha.

I’m sure RF said that. But it a still true.


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[kyler1945]

I'm not talking about the scapula but there's no reason to hit that either.In 90+ percent of cases,if you hit the shoulder,you missed.

What evidence do you have to support this statement?

 

[kyler1945]

.I'd really have to see good picture to believe that people get through it.

this is exhibit A on why I got away from three blade heads - the arrow deflected maybe 2-3* from the angle of entry. But, it punched completely through one portion of the bone, and then split the second portion. I’m confident if it had been a more direct hit, it would’ve split the bone completely. And I have no doubt a 2 blade wouldn't have had an issue. 215-220lb deer. 525gr arrow 275fps. It severed major plumbing at top of heart. Exit wound behind the last rib. The arrow was sheared in half when the deer ducked and ran.

I hit exactly where I was aiming. The deer ran less than 100 yards.

 

[Weldabeast]

There's no reason to shoot a deer in the shoulder.I'd really have to see good picture to believe that people get through it.

Look at post #56 and #58