Help me build the ultimate saddle hunting pack

[therooster240g]

Actually, your drawing is pretty good. I have made packs with worse, haha.

Thanks for the input, I agree that a shorter opening on the 22 mag would be nice but it could also be accomplished with two compression straps that you could adjust to put at the height you want to, so basically you can decide how large a bucket you want.

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I agree that the compression strap worked. If it was 2-3 inches taller it would have been nice. There were times I used the top compression to help make a “shelf”


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[bowhunthard88]

I have been sewing and making packs for hunting for the last 8 years, since I started elk hunting. I started out making packs to fit on commercially available frames from hunting pack manufacturers like Kifaru, Exo Mountain Gear, Initial Ascent for myself, my friends, and my family. In the last couple years, I have really started changing the way I hunt whitetails and realized that the packs I was using were good at some things, but not always adept at saddle hunting/mobile hunting specifically. I have been working on some different frame systems and testing out different different materials.

There are a ton of threads on every hunting forum about packs for hunting and I understand that there are a lot of variables that determine what what needs each individual hunter has in a pack. The number of companies that offer hunting packs is also staggering. This is not an attempt to invade an already saturated market or make money by producing a pack. This is a passion project and I just want to know what features this community values over others. My full time job is firefighter/paramedic, so I'm busy enough as it is.

Here are some of the questions I have been pondering. There are way more answers to the questions I have posted, so feel free to add your preferences if your answer doesn't fit with the ones I have provided.

1. What size pack do you use?
A. Under 1000 c.i. (small backpack or lumbar pack)
B. 1000 c.i. to 2000 c.i. (small daypack)
C. 2000 c.i. to 3000 c.i. (large daypack or small multi-day pack)
D. 3000 c.i. or more (large multi-day or rucksack)

2. What type of frame do you prefer?
A. No frame necessary, just a bag with a little foam padding
B. A flexible frame that moves with me, comfortable with 15 lbs or under
C. A semi-rigid frame that moves with me but is comfortable up to 50 lbs
D. Rigid frame that carries loads in excess of 50 lbs

3. How do you pack your backpack?
A. I like to have pockets for everything, and lots of them.
B. I like pockets for my items and a medium sized main compartment.
C. I use some pockets but I prefer a larger main compartment.
D. I don't need pockets, I use stuff sacks and other small bags to separate my items.

4. Do you attach items to the outside of the pack?
A. I like lots of compression straps/attachment points and a beavertail or flap of material to sandwich items against the pack.
B. I like lots of compression straps/attachment points but no beavertail.
C. I like a couple compression straps/attachment points but a less cluttered exterior to prevent snags.
D. I don't like compression straps or attachment points, I feel like they are bothersome and unnecessary.

5. How do you get your kill out of the woods?
A. I field dress and put them on a motorized vehicle.
B. I drag the deer or use a cart until I can get to a road or trail.
C. I quarter the animal and carry out the parts on my back.
D. I keep the field dress the animal and carry it out on my back.

6. How much gear do you carry?
A. I carry the bare minimum, and try to be as light as possible, no food, no water, and no niceties.
B. I carry what I need for hunting with some food, water, and calls.
C. I carry hunting items, food, water, and some niceties like a book or phone charger.
D. I carry whatever I can fit in my pack, the more the better.

7. What do you prefer for a suspension system?
A. I like a full suspension, thick padding, contoured shoulder straps and a hipbelt.
B. I like a comfortable suspension with enough padding and a decent hipbelt.
C. I like a comfortable shoulder harness and just a webbing belt.
D. I like a minimized shoulder harness only.

8. What kind of material do you prefer?
A. 500d Cordura is good for me, it's durable and water resistant enough.
B. I would prefer a waterproof fabric.
C. I don't care but it has to be camo.
D. I prefer a very quiet material and I don't care what it weighs.

9. What pack are you currently using?

10. What do you wish your pack had that it doesn't currently have?

11. Do you climb the tree with your backpack on?

12. Do you use different packs for different seasons (early, rut, or late season) or different styles (saddle, mobile treestand, preset treestand)?

13. Do you carry extra layers in your backpack or wear them on the walk in?

14. Do you attach a weapon to your pack?

15. Do you prefer a modular pack that can be tailored to your needs?

16. How far do you walk on average to your hunting locations?

Please feel free to add whatever commentary you would like.

1. What size pack do you use?
C. 2000 c.i. to 3000 c.i. (large daypack or small multi-day pack) - 3000-3600, if compressible, would be perfect for the duration of my season in the northeast.

2. What type of frame do you prefer?
D. Rigid frame that carries loads in excess of 50 lbs - Absolutely loving the K4 frame setup

3. How do you pack your backpack?
C. I use some pockets but I prefer a larger main compartment. - I absolutely love the layout of the EXO 2200, but the side pockets are useless and reduce internal space, and the pack isn't large enough for late season layers.

4. Do you attach items to the outside of the pack?
A. I like lots of compression straps/attachment points and a beavertail or flap of material to sandwich items against the pack. - I utilize the FHF Blaze Panel as a beavertail, currently, with the reversible orange and zip pocket as a fringe benefit. About three compression straps are all I really use (also helps with pack compression when not fully loaded), but removable compression straps with multiple attachment points would be nice. I pack my platform by using two compression straps and then covering everything with the beavertail.

5. How do you get your kill out of the woods?
C. I quarter the animal and carry out the parts on my back. - I'll also field dress and drag, if it's a short distance, sometimes with a Jet Sled.

6. How much gear do you carry?
C. I carry hunting items, food, water, and some niceties like a book or phone charger. - Not so much niceties, but I do carry some backups and emergency stuff too (I do classify a small battery bank as an emergency contact requirement)...

7. What do you prefer for a suspension system?
A. I like a full suspension, thick padding, contoured shoulder straps and a hipbelt.

8. What kind of material do you prefer?
A. 500d Cordura is good for me, it's durable and water resistant enough.

9. What pack are you currently using?
EXO K4. Loved the 2200, but it's too small for all seasons. Liked the 3600, it's the perfect size, but it's lacking in organization/convenient access. Going into this coming season with a compressed 5000 with better access and better organization. I gave each the 2200 and 3600 a full season, used the 2200 for elk day hunts, and I'll be back to the 3600 (accepting it's limitations) if the 5000 is too big...

10. What do you wish your pack had that it doesn't currently have?
I'd like to see an organization pocket near the bottom rear/back of the pack, below the zipper access. I'm currently using a Kifaru Claymore connected in this position.

11. Do you climb the tree with your backpack on?
Usually, but not always.

12. Do you use different packs for different seasons (early, rut, or late season) or different styles (saddle, mobile treestand, preset treestand)?
If I need a pack, It's always the same one. If I don't need the value of a pack, I do have a lumbar setup and a chest rig (depending on the minimalism of any given hunt, usually early season with no layers).

13. Do you carry extra layers in your backpack or wear them on the walk in?
Layers always inside the pack, I don't like strapping externally or in the load shelf.

14. Do you attach a weapon to your pack?
Typically not, I like it in my hands.

15. Do you prefer a modular pack that can be tailored to your needs?
I love modularity. See my thread LOL, but other than adding specific waist belt pouches/carriers, I only attach stuff to my pack because they're not available as factory options... I will say that a frame with load shelf, and separate bag, is preferred.

16. How far do you walk on average to your hunting locations?
On average about a half mile, with anywhere from 300 yds. to 3 miles possible.

Kind of intrigued by the layout/size of the new Kifaru 44mag bag, but I also know that their frame is wider than the K4...

 

[Maverick1]

I have been sewing and making packs for hunting for the last 8 years, since I started elk hunting. I started out making packs to fit on commercially available frames from hunting pack manufacturers like Kifaru, Exo Mountain Gear, Initial Ascent for myself, my friends, and my family. In the last couple years, I have really started changing the way I hunt whitetails and realized that the packs I was using were good at some things, but not always adept at saddle hunting/mobile hunting specifically. I have been working on some different frame systems and testing out different different materials.

There are a ton of threads on every hunting forum about packs for hunting and I understand that there are a lot of variables that determine what what needs each individual hunter has in a pack. The number of companies that offer hunting packs is also staggering. This is not an attempt to invade an already saturated market or make money by producing a pack. This is a passion project and I just want to know what features this community values over others. My full time job is firefighter/paramedic, so I'm busy enough as it is.

Here are some of the questions I have been pondering. There are way more answers to the questions I have posted, so feel free to add your preferences if your answer doesn't fit with the ones I have provided.

1. What size pack do you use?
A. Under 1000 c.i. (small backpack or lumbar pack)
B. 1000 c.i. to 2000 c.i. (small daypack)
C. 2000 c.i. to 3000 c.i. (large daypack or small multi-day pack)
D. 3000 c.i. or more (large multi-day or rucksack)

2. What type of frame do you prefer?
A. No frame necessary, just a bag with a little foam padding
B. A flexible frame that moves with me, comfortable with 15 lbs or under
C. A semi-rigid frame that moves with me but is comfortable up to 50 lbs
D. Rigid frame that carries loads in excess of 50 lbs

3. How do you pack your backpack?
A. I like to have pockets for everything, and lots of them.
B. I like pockets for my items and a medium sized main compartment.
C. I use some pockets but I prefer a larger main compartment.
D. I don't need pockets, I use stuff sacks and other small bags to separate my items.

4. Do you attach items to the outside of the pack?
A. I like lots of compression straps/attachment points and a beavertail or flap of material to sandwich items against the pack.
B. I like lots of compression straps/attachment points but no beavertail.
C. I like a couple compression straps/attachment points but a less cluttered exterior to prevent snags.
D. I don't like compression straps or attachment points, I feel like they are bothersome and unnecessary.

5. How do you get your kill out of the woods?
A. I field dress and put them on a motorized vehicle.
B. I drag the deer or use a cart until I can get to a road or trail.
C. I quarter the animal and carry out the parts on my back.
D. I keep the field dress the animal and carry it out on my back.

6. How much gear do you carry?
A. I carry the bare minimum, and try to be as light as possible, no food, no water, and no niceties.
B. I carry what I need for hunting with some food, water, and calls.
C. I carry hunting items, food, water, and some niceties like a book or phone charger.
D. I carry whatever I can fit in my pack, the more the better.

7. What do you prefer for a suspension system?
A. I like a full suspension, thick padding, contoured shoulder straps and a hipbelt.
B. I like a comfortable suspension with enough padding and a decent hipbelt.
C. I like a comfortable shoulder harness and just a webbing belt.
D. I like a minimized shoulder harness only.

8. What kind of material do you prefer?
A. 500d Cordura is good for me, it's durable and water resistant enough.
B. I would prefer a waterproof fabric.
C. I don't care but it has to be camo.
D. I prefer a very quiet material and I don't care what it weighs.

9. What pack are you currently using?

10. What do you wish your pack had that it doesn't currently have?

11. Do you climb the tree with your backpack on?

12. Do you use different packs for different seasons (early, rut, or late season) or different styles (saddle, mobile treestand, preset treestand)?

13. Do you carry extra layers in your backpack or wear them on the walk in?

14. Do you attach a weapon to your pack?

15. Do you prefer a modular pack that can be tailored to your needs?

16. How far do you walk on average to your hunting locations?

Please feel free to add whatever commentary you would like.

Too many variables, situations, and personal preferences to build one "ultimate" pack that will suit everyone's needs. The answers are "it depends" and whom you ask. Will likely receive as much useful replies to "Help me build the ultimate gasoline powered vehicle".

 

[DeltaCharlie]

Too many variables, situations, and personal preferences to build one "ultimate" pack that will suit everyone's needs. The answers are "it depends" and whom you ask. Will likely receive as much useful replies to "Help me build the ultimate gasoline powered vehicle".

I'm just asking for input because I'm a backpack nerd, not because I actually think I can make the ultimate saddle hunting pack that will suit all situations for saddle hunting.

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[DeltaCharlie]

1. What size pack do you use?
C. 2000 c.i. to 3000 c.i. (large daypack or small multi-day pack) - 3000-3600, if compressible, would be perfect for the duration of my season in the northeast.

2. What type of frame do you prefer?
D. Rigid frame that carries loads in excess of 50 lbs - Absolutely loving the K4 frame setup

3. How do you pack your backpack?
C. I use some pockets but I prefer a larger main compartment. - I absolutely love the layout of the EXO 2200, but the side pockets are useless and reduce internal space, and the pack isn't large enough for late season layers.

4. Do you attach items to the outside of the pack?
A. I like lots of compression straps/attachment points and a beavertail or flap of material to sandwich items against the pack. - I utilize the FHF Blaze Panel as a beavertail, currently, with the reversible orange and zip pocket as a fringe benefit. About three compression straps are all I really use (also helps with pack compression when not fully loaded), but removable compression straps with multiple attachment points would be nice. I pack my platform by using two compression straps and then covering everything with the beavertail.

5. How do you get your kill out of the woods?
C. I quarter the animal and carry out the parts on my back. - I'll also field dress and drag, if it's a short distance, sometimes with a Jet Sled.

6. How much gear do you carry?
C. I carry hunting items, food, water, and some niceties like a book or phone charger. - Not so much niceties, but I do carry some backups and emergency stuff too (I do classify a small battery bank as an emergency contact requirement)...

7. What do you prefer for a suspension system?
A. I like a full suspension, thick padding, contoured shoulder straps and a hipbelt.

8. What kind of material do you prefer?
A. 500d Cordura is good for me, it's durable and water resistant enough.

9. What pack are you currently using?
EXO K4. Loved the 2200, but it's too small for all seasons. Liked the 3600, it's the perfect size, but it's lacking in organization/convenient access. Going into this coming season with a compressed 5000 with better access and better organization. I gave each the 2200 and 3600 a full season, used the 2200 for elk day hunts, and I'll be back to the 3600 (accepting it's limitations) if the 5000 is too big...

10. What do you wish your pack had that it doesn't currently have?
I'd like to see an organization pocket near the bottom rear/back of the pack, below the zipper access. I'm currently using a Kifaru Claymore connected in this position.

11. Do you climb the tree with your backpack on?
Usually, but not always.

12. Do you use different packs for different seasons (early, rut, or late season) or different styles (saddle, mobile treestand, preset treestand)?
If I need a pack, It's always the same one. If I don't need the value of a pack, I do have a lumbar setup and a chest rig (depending on the minimalism of any given hunt, usually early season with no layers).

13. Do you carry extra layers in your backpack or wear them on the walk in?
Layers always inside the pack, I don't like strapping externally or in the load shelf.

14. Do you attach a weapon to your pack?
Typically not, I like it in my hands.

15. Do you prefer a modular pack that can be tailored to your needs?
I love modularity. See my thread LOL, but other than adding specific waist belt pouches/carriers, I only attach stuff to my pack because they're not available as factory options... I will say that a frame with load shelf, and separate bag, is preferred.

16. How far do you walk on average to your hunting locations?
On average about a half mile, with anywhere from 300 yds. to 3 miles possible.

Kind of intrigued by the layout/size of the new Kifaru 44mag bag, but I also know that their frame is wider than the K4...

I think we have very similar tastes. I love the EXO K4 frame, which is why I have two of them, 26.5" and 23.5". I'm planning to make a bag for whitetail hunting this season, similar to a Kifaru Stryker XL, but with more of a top loading horseshoe zipper similar to 22 mag. I used the Kuiu Icon Pro 3600 last year late season because I like to put my bulky extra layers in the packs, and it worked well for that.

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[bowhunthard88]

I think we have very similar tastes. I love the EXO K4 frame, which is why I have two of them, 26.5" and 23.5". I'm planning to make a bag for whitetail hunting this season, similar to a Kifaru Stryker XL, but with more of a top loading horseshoe zipper similar to 22 mag. I used the Kuiu Icon Pro 3600 last year last season because I like to put my bulky extra layers in the packs, and it worked well for that.

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The 3600 size bag with the 2200 layout/design, no side pockets (or externally volumed), and an externally volumed pocket on the bottom back/rear of the bag; would be the only pack I'd ever need, other than maybe week plus pack-in/camp trips.

 

[muzzyman88]

You'll get a million answers and everyone is right. Its personal preference. I won't go into answering each individual question because everyone already has.

For me, I find that a pack with good outside pockets is a must. I prefer the slash pockets with no zippers. I like being able to stuff things in them and have easy access when needed. I hate digging around for stuff. It must also have plenty of outside lashing options for various configurations of sticks/platforms, etc. A cobination of slash pockets and lashing means I can put the items I need immediate and easy access to right there. So for me, its my one stick and rope. I don't have to get to the tree and unpack half my **** to get the couple of things I need out in order to climb the tree. Internal organization is nice for various items that you don't need quickly, but maybe once youre in the tree and setup.

Frames. At the very least, it should have internal stays or frame. You also need a waist belt. External frame packs are killer for carrying weight however, so if you need to haul meat, thats what you want. Any frame, internal or external, is going to make carrying your gear significantly better. I won't own a pack without some type of frame and waist belt anymore.

Size wise, it depends on how and what you carry. I was always a small, minimalist type guy and used the smallest pack I could find that met my criteria. However, I grabbed a Mystery Ranch Treehouse 38, which is enormous by my standards and really love the layout of the pack, plus I stuff my layers inside the pack, rather than having them dangling all over the outside. Once its packed ready to go, its a nice, neat, organized package. I think anywhere around that 2000 cu. in. mark is the sweet spot.

Materials.. I prefer as quiet as I can get. Other matierials will prove more durable for sure, but Id rather be super quiet.

Anyway, tahts my two cents.

 

[DeltaCharlie]

You'll get a million answers and everyone is right. Its personal preference. I won't go into answering each individual question because everyone already has.

For me, I find that a pack with good outside pockets is a must. I prefer the slash pockets with no zippers. I like being able to stuff things in them and have easy access when needed. I hate digging around for stuff. It must also have plenty of outside lashing options for various configurations of sticks/platforms, etc. A cobination of slash pockets and lashing means I can put the items I need immediate and easy access to right there. So for me, its my one stick and rope. I don't have to get to the tree and unpack half my **** to get the couple of things I need out in order to climb the tree. Internal organization is nice for various items that you don't need quickly, but maybe once youre in the tree and setup.

Frames. At the very least, it should have internal stays or frame. You also need a waist belt. External frame packs are killer for carrying weight however, so if you need to haul meat, thats what you want. Any frame, internal or external, is going to make carrying your gear significantly better. I won't own a pack without some type of frame and waist belt anymore.

Size wise, it depends on how and what you carry. I was always a small, minimalist type guy and used the smallest pack I could find that met my criteria. However, I grabbed a Mystery Ranch Treehouse 38, which is enormous by my standards and really love the layout of the pack, plus I stuff my layers inside the pack, rather than having them dangling all over the outside. Once its packed ready to go, its a nice, neat, organized package. I think anywhere around that 2000 cu. in. mark is the sweet spot.

Materials.. I prefer as quiet as I can get. Other matierials will prove more durable for sure, but Id rather be super quiet.

Anyway, tahts my two cents.

I'm with you on the frame. I would rather have too much frame than not enough.

I've been playing around with a very thin HDPE frame sheet with twin aluminum 7075 stays that are flexible but maintain their shape. I also put two flat carbon bars running horizontal that helps keep the frame from barreling when the compression straps are pulled tight. It weighs just under one pound and it's 23" tall and about 11" at the widest point. The one in the picture would be an internal frame that's integrated into the pack.

 

[Swamp Fox__On The Run]

1. What size pack do you use?
A. Under 1000 c.i. (small backpack or lumbar pack)
B. 1000 c.i. to 2000 c.i. (small daypack)
C. 2000 c.i. to 3000 c.i. (large daypack or small multi-day pack)
D. 3000 c.i. or more (large multi-day or rucksack)

All of these, though a 2800 probably gets the most use/days afield.


2. What type of frame do you prefer?
A. No frame necessary, just a bag with a little foam padding
B. A flexible frame that moves with me, comfortable with 15 lbs or under
C. A semi-rigid frame that moves with me but is comfortable up to 50 lbs
D. Rigid frame that carries loads in excess of 50 lbs

Options C and D would have to be capable of carrying hang-on stands or compact climbers, and not in a Rube Goldberg way, or they would be of no use to me. I am not a great fan of climbing sticks for what a lot of guys think is mobile hunting, but they are so ubiquitous in the woods and I use them enough that I would reject a pack that didn’t have a good way to carry a set of 4 – 6 sticks whether I were a marketing guy or buying for my own account.

I know this is not “The Saddle Hunting Way” (cf. “The Cowboy Way”), but I never drank the Kool Aid in the first place. From what I see out there, there are a lot more guys humping four (heavy?) sticks around than not.

So, I wouldn’t design my pack around any meat hauling first. I would design it around gear, weapon and clothes hauling with the idea that a very tiny minority of hunters will also need to or want to pack an animal out.

3. How do you pack your backpack?
A. I like to have pockets for everything, and lots of them.
B. I like pockets for my items and a medium sized main compartment.
C. I use some pockets but I prefer a larger main compartment.
D. I don't need pockets, I use stuff sacks and other small bags to separate my items.

A lid pocket, inner pocket, two side pockets and one on the front are sufficient. An elasticized open mesh pocket on top of lid or on front is nice. A long sleeve pocket on both sides would be ideal.

4. Do you attach items to the outside of the pack?
A. I like lots of compression straps/attachment points and a beavertail or flap of material to sandwich items against the pack.
B. I like lots of compression straps/attachment points but no beavertail.
C. I like a couple compression straps/attachment points but a less cluttered exterior to prevent snags.
D. I don't like compression straps or attachment points, I feel like they are bothersome and unnecessary.

I require bedroll straps under the pack as an absolute minimum. Also, any strap/retaining system “designed” to carry a bow or firearm on the pack which doesn’t cradle the weapon in pillows of velvet-wrapped Egyptian cotton is right out. I’ve never seen a bow or rifle carry “system” on a pack that didn’t cause me nightmares and heart pain imagining what it would do to the finish of even a D-Day Garand or Agincourt longbow, much less one of my babies.

The hip belt should accommodate add-on pouches and a holster. There should be an internal water bladder sleeve as well as a water bottle pocket.

5. How do you get your kill out of the woods?
A. I field dress and put them on a motorized vehicle.
B. I drag the deer or use a cart until I can get to a road or trail.
C. I quarter the animal and carry out the parts on my back.
D. I keep the field dress the animal and carry it out on my back.

B and C.

6. How much gear do you carry?
A. I carry the bare minimum, and try to be as light as possible, no food, no water, and no niceties.
B. I carry what I need for hunting with some food, water, and calls.
C. I carry hunting items, food, water, and some niceties like a book or phone charger.
D. I carry whatever I can fit in my pack, the more the better.

I feel like this is a trick question, but I would never bring a book, phone charger OR a blow-up doll on a hunt. I’m out there to hunt, not goof around.


7. What do you prefer for a suspension system?
A. I like a full suspension, thick padding, contoured shoulder straps and a hipbelt.
B. I like a comfortable suspension with enough padding and a decent hipbelt.
C. I like a comfortable shoulder harness and just a webbing belt.
D. I like a minimized shoulder harness only.

Definitely Option A. Same goes for my sex swings.

8. What kind of material do you prefer?
A. 500d Cordura is good for me, it's durable and water resistant enough.
B. I would prefer a waterproof fabric.
C. I don't care but it has to be camo.
D. I prefer a very quiet material and I don't care what it weighs.

Quiet material in camo. I can’t believe how Kifaru sells any Coyote Brown packs to eastern whitetail hunters, but they do. Bang!


9. What pack are you currently using?

Several different Badlands, from back in the day when they were at the top of their game. Disappointed when they changed materials years ago and haven’t glanced at them since. The Stryker XL is on my very Short List for any new pack. In fact, it’s the only one that makes the list.


10. What do you wish your pack had that it doesn't currently have?

Seven million dollars in gold bullion in the main compartment, and a load shelf like the Stryker XL. Also, I could use the phone number for a painless dentist who doesn’t know about the seven mil, and his girlfriend’s number just in case things go south in the chair.

11. Do you climb the tree with your backpack on?

No. Sooner or later some knucklehead is going to fall out of a tree and break his back, and this will become a no-no again.

12. Do you use different packs for different seasons (early, rut, or late season) or different styles (saddle, mobile treestand, preset treestand)?

Absolutely.

13. Do you carry extra layers in your backpack or wear them on the walk in?

Carry.

14. Do you attach a weapon to your pack?

No. Haven’t seen a stand-alone system yet that sufficiently protects the weapon from wear or a fall.

15. Do you prefer a modular pack that can be tailored to your needs?

Of course. This is like asking if I prefer blondes, redheads, brunettes, or raven-haired beauties. The answer is yes.

16. How far do you walk on average to your hunting locations?

Fifteen minutes to an hour-and-a-half plus.

 

[DeltaCharlie]

1. What size pack do you use?
A. Under 1000 c.i. (small backpack or lumbar pack)
B. 1000 c.i. to 2000 c.i. (small daypack)
C. 2000 c.i. to 3000 c.i. (large daypack or small multi-day pack)
D. 3000 c.i. or more (large multi-day or rucksack)

All of these, though a 2800 probably gets the most use/days afield.


2. What type of frame do you prefer?
A. No frame necessary, just a bag with a little foam padding
B. A flexible frame that moves with me, comfortable with 15 lbs or under
C. A semi-rigid frame that moves with me but is comfortable up to 50 lbs
D. Rigid frame that carries loads in excess of 50 lbs

Options C and D would have to be capable of carrying hang-on stands or compact climbers, and not in a Rube Goldberg way, or they would be of no use to me. I am not a great fan of climbing sticks for what a lot of guys think is mobile hunting, but they are so ubiquitous in the woods and I use them enough that I would reject a pack that didn’t have a good way to carry a set of 4 – 6 sticks whether I were a marketing guy or buying for my own account.

I know this is not “The Saddle Hunting Way” (cf. “The Cowboy Way”), but I never drank the Kool Aid in the first place. From what I see out there, there are a lot more guys humping four (heavy?) sticks around than not.

So, I wouldn’t design my pack around any meat hauling first. I would design it around gear, weapon and clothes hauling with the idea that a very tiny minority of hunters will also need to or want to pack an animal out.

3. How do you pack your backpack?
A. I like to have pockets for everything, and lots of them.
B. I like pockets for my items and a medium sized main compartment.
C. I use some pockets but I prefer a larger main compartment.
D. I don't need pockets, I use stuff sacks and other small bags to separate my items.

A lid pocket, inner pocket, two side pockets and one on the front are sufficient. An elasticized open mesh pocket on top of lid or on front is nice. A long sleeve pocket on both sides would be ideal.

4. Do you attach items to the outside of the pack?
A. I like lots of compression straps/attachment points and a beavertail or flap of material to sandwich items against the pack.
B. I like lots of compression straps/attachment points but no beavertail.
C. I like a couple compression straps/attachment points but a less cluttered exterior to prevent snags.
D. I don't like compression straps or attachment points, I feel like they are bothersome and unnecessary.

I require bedroll straps under the pack as an absolute minimum. Also, any strap/retaining system “designed” to carry a bow or firearm on the pack which doesn’t cradle the weapon in pillows of velvet-wrapped Egyptian cotton is right out. I’ve never seen a bow or rifle carry “system” on a pack that didn’t cause me nightmares and heart pain imagining what it would do to the finish of even a D-Day Garand or Agincourt longbow, much less one of my babies.

The hip belt should accommodate add-on pouches and a holster. There should be an internal water bladder sleeve as well as a water bottle pocket.

5. How do you get your kill out of the woods?
A. I field dress and put them on a motorized vehicle.
B. I drag the deer or use a cart until I can get to a road or trail.
C. I quarter the animal and carry out the parts on my back.
D. I keep the field dress the animal and carry it out on my back.

B and C.

6. How much gear do you carry?
A. I carry the bare minimum, and try to be as light as possible, no food, no water, and no niceties.
B. I carry what I need for hunting with some food, water, and calls.
C. I carry hunting items, food, water, and some niceties like a book or phone charger.
D. I carry whatever I can fit in my pack, the more the better.

I feel like this is a trick question, but I would never bring a book, phone charger OR a blow-up doll on a hunt. I’m out there to hunt, not goof around.


7. What do you prefer for a suspension system?
A. I like a full suspension, thick padding, contoured shoulder straps and a hipbelt.
B. I like a comfortable suspension with enough padding and a decent hipbelt.
C. I like a comfortable shoulder harness and just a webbing belt.
D. I like a minimized shoulder harness only.

Definitely Option A. Same goes for my sex swings.

8. What kind of material do you prefer?
A. 500d Cordura is good for me, it's durable and water resistant enough.
B. I would prefer a waterproof fabric.
C. I don't care but it has to be camo.
D. I prefer a very quiet material and I don't care what it weighs.

Quiet material in camo. I can’t believe how Kifaru sells any Coyote Brown packs to eastern whitetail hunters, but they do. Bang!


9. What pack are you currently using?

Several different Badlands, from back in the day when they were at the top of their game. Disappointed when they changed materials years ago and haven’t glanced at them since. The Stryker XL is on my very Short List for any new pack. In fact, it’s the only one that makes the list.


10. What do you wish your pack had that it doesn't currently have?

Seven million dollars in gold bullion in the main compartment, and a load shelf like the Stryker XL. Also, I could use the phone number for a painless dentist who doesn’t know about the seven mil, and his girlfriend’s number just in case things go south in the chair.

11. Do you climb the tree with your backpack on?

No. Sooner or later some knucklehead is going to fall out of a tree and break his back, and this will become a no-no again.

12. Do you use different packs for different seasons (early, rut, or late season) or different styles (saddle, mobile treestand, preset treestand)?

Absolutely.

13. Do you carry extra layers in your backpack or wear them on the walk in?

Carry.

14. Do you attach a weapon to your pack?

No. Haven’t seen a stand-alone system yet that sufficiently protects the weapon from wear or a fall.

15. Do you prefer a modular pack that can be tailored to your needs?

Of course. This is like asking if I prefer blondes, redheads, brunettes, or raven-haired beauties. The answer is yes.

16. How far do you walk on average to your hunting locations?

Fifteen minutes to an hour-and-a-half plus.

Thank you for your commentary, I enjoyed the humor.



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[DeltaCharlie]

Well, I think most people who have responded have mentioned wanting a supportive frame that's comfortable up to about 50 lbs or more.

I assumed this was the case based on my own opinions on packs. I believe that a pack should be comfortable and supportive first and foremost. If it's not, you won't carry it. I will say that comfort varies greatly based on body type, size, and where you feel the hipbelt is the most comfortable. This is apparent when you read any reviews of packs, and there is a following discussion. They just fit differently on different people, and what works for some doesn't work for other's.

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[woodsdog2]

I didn’t answer all of your questions individually because I’m still trying to figure out an ultimate system as well.

Similar to what @bowhunthard88 said, early season I try not to carry any pack whatsoever. Just my saddle and two large CGM pouches for all my gear. I have been using a bow spider chest rig to to carry my bow and it keeps my saddle up nice with the extra weight in the side pouches. I hand carry my climbing method in and I like it but like everything, it also becomes an issue when the transition to later season begins and I need to carry in layers etc. also, if I’m hunting public and have to cut debone or quarter the deer that changes the nexus.

So I’ve resolved that this year, I’ll probably go to using more than one saddle. Having an early and mid to late season saddle setups and using a pack for layers.

I have a Kifaru Stryker XL in a Duplex lite frame for meat haul outs and if I’m not concerned about hauling, I’ll use a smaller pack. This system seems to be just enough for everything I need and it does compress down pretty well if need be.

I picked up a KUIU 2300 on sale and am going to try that for non meat hauling hunts where I need to only carry in layers and my climbing method and platform.

If there is snow I will field dress and use my jet sled opting for the smaller pack to just carry layers and climbing method/platform.

I do typically wear my pack while I climb hence the reason for ditching a frame pack as much as I can. When using the Stryker XL I have been leaving it at the base of the tree covering it with a leafy suit top or camo cover but that’s another thing to csrry in as well. Tradeoffs.always tradeoffs.

Probably if I filmed my hunts I would have a totally different analysis.

 

[BTaylor]

I didn’t answer all of your questions individually because I’m still trying to figure out an ultimate system as well.

Similar to what @bowhunthard88 said, early season I try not to carry any pack whatsoever. Just my saddle and two large CGM pouches for all my gear. I have been using a bow spider chest rig to to carry my bow and it keeps my saddle up nice with the extra weight in the side pouches. I hand carry my climbing method in and I like it but like everything, it also becomes an issue when the transition to later season begins and I need to carry in layers etc. also, if I’m hunting public and have to cut debone or quarter the deer that changes the nexus.

So I’ve resolved that this year, I’ll probably go to using more than one saddle. Having an early and mid to late season saddle setups and using a pack for layers.

I have a Kifaru Stryker XL in a Duplex lite frame for meat haul outs and if I’m not concerned about hauling, I’ll use a smaller pack. This system seems to be just enough for everything I need and it does compress down pretty well if need be.

I picked up a KUIU 2300 on sale and am going to try that for non meat hauling hunts where I need to only carry in layers and my climbing method and platform.

If there is snow I will field dress and use my jet sled opting for the smaller pack to just carry layers and climbing method/platform.

I do typically wear my pack while I climb hence the reason for ditching a frame pack as much as I can. When using the Stryker XL I have been leaving it at the base of the tree covering it with a leafy suit top or camo cover but that’s another thing to csrry in as well. Tradeoffs.always tradeoffs.

Probably if I filmed my hunts I would have a totally different analysis.

Dont overlook the kuiu for hauling a deer out. I used the 1800 for a few years and hauled several out with it. It didnt start wearing on you until close to the 2 mile mark. A mile or less it handled a pack out just fine.

 

[Plebe]

Frame pack or don’t waste your time.

Throw out the tool bucket concept, it’s unnecessary to downright counterproductive.

Whereas we normally have one large central “main pocket”, I’d like to see that sectioned vertically into two or three pockets with front opening horseshoe zippers to each section. Size them to put the heaviest objects highest.

Then maybe a couple of detachable wing pockets.

And a side opening sleeve between the bag and frame to slide a platform into sideways so the teeth can protrude facing aft (on the non-dominant side).

I have to laugh because it sounds somewhat like that stupidly named Tetratorn on Rokslide, lol.

But this pattern is a good foundation imo.

The heaviest objects most of us use are: 1. Weapon, 2. Platform, 3. Outerwear, 4. Sticks. You want the heaviest objects high and tight to the frame as much as possible.

1. Weapon: Most carry that. Hands free rifle carry is easily resolved by copying your favorite gun bearer. (Gun is on the dominant side so the platform bracket should protrude on the opposite side so as to not damage weapon). A bow almost always ends up on the back of the pack (another strike against storing a platform in a beavertail or with compression straps there).

2. Platform: A micro treestand or one of the usual saddlehunting designs.

A. Saddle Hunting platform: the aforementioned side access sleeve between the frame and bag (either sewn on the front panel of the bag or something attachable/detachable to the frame) makes sense to me. Sizing this becomes a problem given the variations of platforms. It could be detachable and made to fit, or oversized. In either case it’s a matter of figuring out the best way to securely pinch down the closure around the post (a drawstring would be uncomplicated).​

B Treestand: A treestand basically has to go in the shelf. An adjustable height “shelf” is an asset, and a ladder lock system is the easy button. The shelf will need to be configured to straddle a seat or cradle a V. I don’t love it but probably the best way to manage a stand is seat up with the stand-off teeth atop the bag and seat hinged over. The LWCG stands are ok with the platform lock seat under the bag, but it makes storage a bit more complicated than just drop in and go.​

3. Outerwear: For those that wear it in and don’t sweat like the devil, you may not need a serious pack. But for those who pack it in, outerwear can easily be 6-10lbs. I usually just put mine in the shelf, but a big enough bag could be designed around fitting say a Fanatic jacket and Incinerator bibs in the top pocket/pockets. That sizing should cover the field, and put lots of the load where it needs to be.

4. Sticks: Not everyone uses them but they are so prevalent that they need to be addressed. Detachable wings does that. Size them so the standoffs straddle the wings, outward. But I rope climb…just use a wing pocket., or don’t…they’re detachable and there should be plenty of room in one of the main bag compartments you minimalist!


I’d like to have my saddle and ropes and possibly gear strap in one wing for quick access. Maybe I’d fill it out with a dry base layer top. Hat, gloves, headlamp, archery release, possibly puffy vest in the other wing, as those are quick access items for me. Make that one two compartments, or make them both with two compartments, or a main compartment with a stretchy pocket thingy.

The rest, tailor to the few items we like accessible. You can get creative here, but generally it’s like a grunt tube, pee bottle, ammo or something to hang your quiver from.

Anyway, it’s something to consider I suppose. Good luck.

 

[Swamp Fox__On The Run]

B Treestand: A treestand basically has to go in the shelf. An adjustable height “shelf” is an asset, and a ladder lock system is the easy button. The shelf will need to be configured to straddle a seat or cradle a V. I don’t love it but probably the best way to manage a stand is seat up with the stand-off teeth atop the bag and seat hinged over. The LWCG stands are ok with the platform lock seat under the bag, but it makes storage a bit more complicated than just drop in and go.​

I *think* I know what you are saying but I have read it a bajillion times and am still not sure, so if you could provide further explanation or maybe a drawing so that even a caveman could get it, I would appreciate it.

 

[Lowg08]

So I’ve glanced through the replies and granted others may not need some of the things I desire but here goes.

I prefer a single compartment with a roll top. Of an outside composite a must just one that opens like a shelf with keepers and inside mesh pockets. On the outside something like a bane pocket or grab it that could hold clothes or platform and sticks. Also ability to carry a weapons on the back. Here is the one random designs I’ve always thought would be nice. I need a meat shelf due to how I hunt but it would be nice to have a system of some sort on the back of the bag that the stand/platform can go in without it being wedged against the meat. Maybe a separate pocket. To keep from getting bloody along with not having to fanagle the stand and meat all in the same strap configuration. A lid would be nice. I use separate stow pockets for stuff and when I do overnight I just tuck my clothes or sleeping bag down in the empty spaces to save space.
Oh the adjustable stays are nice as well so it can go in the tree too. Built in pistol holster like the badlands has is also nice

 

[Alaska at Heart]

I;m not going to be ultra-technical with drawings or measurements, but rather simply practical. My issue with packs for saddle hunting is that any design without a hip/waist belt to distribute the weight puts undue pressure on the trapezius musles. A small pack like the Tethrd Predator pouch that is only hauling 5-7 pounds with just a platform and basic necessities isn't bad. But add in sticks and a jacket and the extra weight is felt...especially on longer hikes or on the way out.

Conversely, a pack design with a hip/waist belt tends to be larger and hangs lower, which ends up resting upon or pushing down on the saddle. Thus hiking in feels like your pants are being pushed down. Requiring the pack to have a compartment large enough to carry in one's saddle, as well as platform and sticks (or ropes if using an alternate ascending method). Plus a larger pack is bulky hanging off the side of a tree to look around or shoot around. If hung completely out of the way on the back side of the tree, anything you might want is more difficult to get at. My Trophyline Platow checks most of the boxes, but the main compartment is too small for my saddle with dump pouches. A moderate sized pack that rides higher on the back and yet has a wasit belt to distribute weight would be interesting...as long as it doesn't weigh 5# 'dry'.

Now for the folks who hike in miles and plan to debone meat, a large pack with an internal frame makes sense. But a lot of us are not hunting huge tracts of public ground and do not need a pack that hauls a bunch of extra clothing or a few meals for all-day sits. Thus application and personal approach factor in significantly. Packs will never be a 'one size fits all' applcation.

 

[SNIPERBBB]

I'm thinking a reinforced attachment point on a pack to attach a deer drag would be nice.

 

[SNIPERBBB]

As for the platform...One of my packs has buckles for sticks that I use to attach my platform to the outside of my pack so it doesnt cost me storage space inside the pack.

 

[Buckhorn70]

Design so the weight is near your back. Not on The back of the pack creating a counter lever. Weight for saddle hunters is platforms and sticks.

1500-2000 cu inches

Optional/ Removable waist belt.

structure to pack And light weight stays in the back of the pack

Quiet material. The whole pack doesn’t need to be made of cordura.

Modular/Removable pouch for items you will need every hunt. Lights, calls, kill kit, license, etc. A pouch or smaller part of the pack you can take to preset stands when you are not saddle hunting with need for a larger pack.

I never understood the “platform only“ pack they only add weight (Tethrd Pred. pack is 1.5 lbs). Just strap the platform to the pack. Only advantage I see in a platform pack is it provides a possible buffer between the metal of the platform and the sticks.

just a few thoughts/ ideas. I have handle pretty much all the packs known for saddle hunting by the way.