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Help with saddle comfort

I can’t speak to the phantom itself in this section so I’ll talk about what I can.

Bridge length. Your saddle has an adjustable bridge. I would start with it at the longest setting, find comfort and then start shortening it until you find your preference. The shorter it is the less it interferes with your bow string. The longer it is the more comfortable it is from less hip pinch to more surface area to rest your head when napping

Tether height. The higher it is the less it’s pulling you toward the tree. The lower it is the more clearance you’ll have. Unlike bridge length where longer is more comfortable for almost everyone tether height is personal. If you want to sit more I would start at eye level and work my way up. For a leaner I would start at the top of my mead and go down from there.
Platform. You mention screw in steps. Are you trying to lean on them? Steps are for sitters and platforms can work for either. So if your a sitter play with how deep you are sitting. My knees are never bent 90 like they would Be sitting in a kitchen chair. The lower you sit the more pressure it seems to put on your knees(at least to me).
Bridge loop adjustment. Whether you have adjustable length bridge loops like on a mantis/kestrel/kite or a means isolating your bridge to a certain location on the loops(comfort channels) that adjustment can really change where you feel pressure in the saddle. It makes a difference to me in whether the comfort lasts all day or just a couple hours. I recommend finding a middle point here and playing with it after you figure out how you want your tether and bridge adjusted.
Back rest. To me on all but the shortest hunts a back rest is important. You can buy one, make one, or repurpose some other strap. There are a couple of attachment options. One is through the carabiner at your bridge/tether connection. It is the simplest and least obtrusive method. You don’t have to worry about the little prussik getting in the way on your bridge. You also don’t have to worry about it getting hung up when your rotating.
The plus side to having your back support attach to the bridge via small prussiks is they can actually reduce hip pinch some.
 
I appreciate all the replies! When I haven't done something before even the simplest of ideas don't come to mind for me....that is why this is so helpful.
 
Whatever you do don’t give up on it too quickly. You’ll figure out the comfort part and what’s best for you. There is a lot more fiddle factor with saddles compared to stands but once you figure it all out the struggles are worth it. Play with tether height and bridge length. An easy way to add an adjustable bridge quick is to just take a cam buckle strap like the ones that come with a lone wolf stand. You can hook it into your bridge loops on each side with carabiners and adjust with the buckle (AT GROUND LEVEL). Once you figure out that length you can tie on a tubular webbing bridge easily the same length.
 
Adjusting my position frequently seems to help me. If I sit in my chair at home for 8 hours my butt starts hurting.
 
I still think the guy that makes up a spreader bar for his bridge to keep them apart at a set distance at the loops would have something.
It would need to be light, adjustable, strong, and collapsing.
The bridge spreader bar. Thanks for the reminder. I may have to make one up. I did this a few days ago for my saddle spreader but haven't climbed with it yet.
 
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1st Season saddle hunter here... learning to be comfortable in it. I wear knee pads but still find my knees hurting when pressed against the tree. Also find a little bit pain in lower back. Anyone experience something similar and have tips?
I'm worried about when things really start getting cold here... hope i'll be able to be still despite the coldness.
 
1st Season saddle hunter here... learning to be comfortable in it. I wear knee pads but still find my knees hurting when pressed against the tree. Also find a little bit pain in lower back. Anyone experience something similar and have tips?
I'm worried about when things really start getting cold here... hope i'll be able to be still despite the coldness.
What knee pads? How high is your tether? You can also try straddling the tree or sitting with the tree to your side so you're kind of leaning against it
 
What knee pads? How high is your tether? You can also try straddling the tree or sitting with the tree to your side so you're kind of leaning against it
I tried the sitting on the side of the tree last night. Wasn't bad but I still felt "squeezed" by the saddle. What kind of changes would help alleviate that? I am certain I have the correct size saddle. Just wasn't sure if adjusting the bridge length, tether length or what was the best way to fix that.
 
I tried the sitting on the side of the tree last night. Wasn't bad but I still felt "squeezed" by the saddle. What kind of changes would help alleviate that? I am certain I have the correct size saddle. Just wasn't sure if adjusting the bridge length, tether length or what was the best way to fix that.
The truth is either or both could be what does it for you. It really varies person by person. I like my tether around chin height. Other people like it forehead height, some people like it even higher. You just have to experiment to find out what works best for you. Same goes for the bridge if yours is adjustable. Idk if the squeeze would go away from any of those when sitting sideways, I just use that for something different if I need a break from a normal position
 
Last night was my first sit in my Phantom. definitely a learning curve to get comfy. Today I've done some digging and found my tether was way to high and my bridge was to short. I also found an old strap to use as a back support. My legs where a little rubber at the end of it and my back is a little stiff today, but I've also been on COVID exercise plan since April. I'll be heading out tonight to try again with my new knowledge and modifications.
 
Yesterday was my first all day sit in a saddle 5:45a-7p with about an hour and a half break when I moved spots.

Lessons I learned
  • going to ditch my leather belt for something more pliable and/or thin
  • ditching my drop leg holster for my side arm due to the belt clips imbedded into my skin now - moving to shoulder holster
Overall I was way more comfortable for an all day sit than I was in a hang on stand previous years.
 
The bridge spreader bar. Thanks for the reminder. I may have to make one up. I did this a few days ago for my saddle spreader but haven't climbed with it yet.
The thin plywood sewed to my saddle eliminated all hip pinch on two 4 hour sits. Maybe a bit of left side pinch but nearly nothing. I want to put on a slightly wider piece of plywood to maybe get rid of the last bit.
 
The thin plywood sewed to my saddle eliminated all hip pinch on two 4 hour sits. Maybe a bit of left side pinch but nearly nothing. I want to put on a slightly wider piece of plywood to maybe get rid of the last bit.
I removed the piece of plywood from my saddle and sewed a wider one in. I sat in it hanging from a rope and it did not crack. The thickest section grain runs side to side. It feels like hip pinch should be even less.
 
I removed the piece of plywood from my saddle and sewed a wider one in. I sat in it hanging from a rope and it did not crack. The thickest section grain runs side to side. It feels like hip pinch should be even less.

You almost have a Jx 3 which is very comfortable.


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To th e OP, I'm right there with you. 1st year in the saddle and only 5 sits so far this season. My biggest issue is with my knees. I'm not a young guy and my knees are not great. I have used knee pads and then went to a foam pad (heater seat). I like the pad way better but don't like the bulk hauling it in. Even with the pad my knees take a beating against the tree. Oddly its better with the pad an no knee pads than with both. I like my tether lower (chin height) as it does not seem to get in the way of pulling back on my bow as much. Going to have to play around with that some more. Yesterday was opening day in NJ of fall bow and I sat morning and evening. My knees are not happy about that so I have some sorting out to do. My thighs are burning but that is just my lack of being in shape.

Backrest: I use a Phantom saddle with the Tethrd backrest. A few questions on that. Not thrilled about opening up my biner to attach it once I'm in the tree. Also the webbing is like a mile long so before I cut it any reason why? The webbibng is noisy on the biner when I shift around if thier is tension on it. I seem to need to tighten in when in more of a sitting position and lossen it when leaning. Is all this normal or am I missing anything here? Any advice from you seasoned saddle folks is most helpful.
 
I asked Tethrd about the opening the caribeener part, and they said to use the lineman belt before opening. The reason that the back band is so long, is that some use it under your thighs. I do this to keep my legs together for sitting. I use one back band for back, and one for my legs. I don't use the leg trick often though.

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I asked Tethrd about the opening the caribeener part, and they said to use the lineman belt before opening. The reason that the back band is so long, is that some use it under your thighs. I do this to keep my legs together for sitting. I use one back band for back, and one for my legs. I don't use the leg trick often though.

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Thanks for the info. You use the back band to keep your legs together? Does that help with fatigue?
 
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