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How to narrow down public land as a newbie

@ThereWillBeSpuds what state are you in? Answers from Southerners won't help you much if you up north, vise versa
Im in SC and a local member of this wonderful forum has already offered to let me walk his land with him so that I can see some deer sign and movement patterns IRL.

Sorry for not mentioning the locale in the original post.

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Man I love this site! All of the advice given so far is spot on. Use it to your advantage to help with the learning curve of finding deer habitat, have to know something to figure out what you're looking for/at once you do put boots on the ground. At the end of the day, everything is about the journey... sometimes that journey doesn't lead to success, but it does lead to a learning moment of what works/doesn't work. I've had countless "unsuccessful" seasons mainly because I'm picky as hell with shots or target deer etc... but most of those seasons ended up being some of the most memorable.

Hell, this season I missed a monster right out the gate, passed up another opportunity on said buck a week later because he didn't give me the shot angles I wanted, watched a few spikes walk by, almost got ran over by 2 does coming hot down the trail on a rainy day 5 min after I climbed out of my stand... literally coming in head down in a slight jog and stopped less than 3 yards from me when they realized my face didn't look like the tree the rest of me looked like, to bumping an alligator on a walk through the marsh (almost needed to clean my pants out after that encounter) to watching a bald eagle drop into the canopy at eye level with me at hunting height and fly within 20 yards of me... wishing I had a camera going to share the experience. Each hunt or scouting adventure should be a learning experience and lets be honest here... any day in the woods is better than any day at work and I actually enjoy my job.

Welcome to the obsession!
 
I've been hunting deer for 45+ years here in northern Michigan. I have to admit, and maybe its because I'm old school, but I struggle at looking at map and trying to apply a solid strategy to find the "best" hunting spots for whitetails. For me there's no better method than boots on the ground. For me scouting doesn't work immediately post season here as the deer have moved out of the areas I typically hunt by then. Quite simply there's nothing for them to eat in those areas once there's 2-3 feet of snow on the ground.

For me I find I learn the most getting out and covering ground immediately after the snow melts. That's typically turkey season for me. Getting out before the green up means the deer trails are still readily visible in the snow packed leaves and the previous season's rubs are still raw and visible. Putting miles on in areas of interest at this time tells me the most about areas I may want to hunt the following fall.

A great majority of my pre/post season scouting takes place during the 2-3 weeks between snow off and greenup (much to my daughter's dismay as I'm following deer trails while we're turkey hunting). "Focus Dad, we're supposed to be hunting turkeys". Her favorite season if you didn't get that. :)
 
@ThereWillBeSpuds what state are you in? Answers from Southerners won't help you much if you up north, vise versa

I agree 100% with this notion. It's why I try to avoid giving specific advice on how to hunt or scout. And why I recommend learning about deer characteristics and behavior in the abstract - learn what deer do and how, without the specifics of where. Laying that foundation will shorten the learning curve, especially for someone with a clean slate.

Once you're armed with that knowledge, the patterns emerge regardless of where you're chasing them. Then the best way to learn where they do what they do, specific to where you hunt, is to walk up on them in the act. Having those two pieces of the puzzle makes maps useful(detailed digital scouting, obviously knowing how to get where you want to go and access and not getting lost are important at all times).
 
Im in SC and a local member of this wonderful forum has already offered to let me walk his land with him so that I can see some deer sign and movement patterns IRL.

Sorry for not mentioning the locale in the original post.

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If you're near the chuck town area let me know. Nothing like having a few hunting buddies to BS with and figure new areas out together.
 
If you're near the chuck town area let me know. Nothing like having a few hunting buddies to BS with and figure new areas out together.
I am in Columbia but certainly not opposed to heading down country to walk some different woods or just shoot the ****.

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Super awesome advice! I x3 agree with what Kyler said on waking. My go to for a new piece of public land is to find a good looking green field. If no fields, I’ll find a fresh cut over (where a bunch of forest just got logged and is now growing up with brush). Starting in these spots I look for deer trails leading into the fields Or cutover. Then just follow the trails as long as you can. Usually you’ll come to a super thick area (thicket for us southerners). These are likely the deer bedding areas. You’ve now just found where a deer eats, where she sleeps and where she travels in between. Now just repeat this on a bunch of trails. Some of these trails will have rubs all along the way. Follow these back to the thicket and you’ve now maybe found a buck bed. Rinse and repeat! This part of the season is so fun! Enjoy it.
 
Super awesome advice! I x3 agree with what Kyler said on waking. My go to for a new piece of public land is to find a good looking green field. If no fields, I’ll find a fresh cut over (where a bunch of forest just got logged and is now growing up with brush). Starting in these spots I look for deer trails leading into the fields Or cutover. Then just follow the trails as long as you can. Usually you’ll come to a super thick area (thicket for us southerners). These are likely the deer bedding areas. You’ve now just found where a deer eats, where she sleeps and where she travels in between. Now just repeat this on a bunch of trails. Some of these trails will have rubs all along the way. Follow these back to the thicket and you’ve now maybe found a buck bed. Rinse and repeat! This part of the season is so fun! Enjoy it.
This is the most straight forward explaination of this that I have seen.

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You will learn how to read maps. For the most part if the parcel gets much pressure any notable pinch points will receive plenty of pressure. Transition lines are good places to start. This time of the year is great for scouting. I know you say you don’t have that much time but I would give up days in the tree for more days scouting.
 
Also get an app on your phone or a gps and while your walking mark trails, beds, rubs, ect.. Once you get better on maps you can put all the way points on a computer and probably see a pattern that should help you with your stand placement and entry/exit paths.
 
I would encourage you to read about Warren's journals and start keeping one from this point forward. It's the first stickied thread in the deer hunting forum.
 
Speaking of southern terms. I've heard this quite a bit in hunting public and Catman. Can someone explain a slew? From what I can gather it's a flooded valley?

Also from what I've read on here all seems like good advice. Someone directed you too the huntingbeast forums which have a wealth of knowledge I've barely scratched the surface of and if you have a few extra bucks laying around the huntingbeast DVDs have been a good source so far. I think near all the material or similar is probably available on his youtube/podcast but nice to have it organized and in one spot. I got the marsh, hill country and farm country because I have a little of each here in SE Michigan. And after watching them all there is some overlap which really highlights critical features and starting points.

Good luck!

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Speaking of southern terms. I've heard this quite a bit in hunting public and Catman. Can someone explain a slew? From what I can gather it's a flooded valley?

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A slough is a low area that can and will hold water for an extended period of time. Usually if someone around here says something about a slough it is in river bottom type area. Here in AR the eastern side of the state is predominantly skillet flat and has a lot of river bottom areas. Terrain features a lot of the time are measured in couple of feet like 1-3'. A slough or brake is shallow depression area on an otherwise flat landscape. The tree species will change as well as the underbrush species. You will find cypress, overcup oaks, persimmon, tupelo gum to be dominant tree species here in and along sloughs. A lot of times the woody species undergrowth will be heavy along the edges and that is generally referred to as a thicket. Sometimes the whole slough will be choked with brushy undergrowth that is a thicket for sure until it gets water in it and then it's a slough. Some sloughs will hold water all year if they have a little depth to them. these slough can and do hold gators. All sloughs will hold cottonmouths and you can run across the occasional timber rattler along or in them as well. Since they are typically at least moist and a lot of the time holding some water, they are obviously great places to find skeeters thick enough to make it hard to breathe and big enough to stand flat footed and breed a young hen turkey.

They are horrible places to hunt, you should avoid them at all cost. ;)
 
A slough is a low area that can and will hold water for an extended period of time. Usually if someone around here says something about a slough it is in river bottom type area. Here in AR the eastern side of the state is predominantly skillet flat and has a lot of river bottom areas. Terrain features a lot of the time are measured in couple of feet like 1-3'. A slough or brake is shallow depression area on an otherwise flat landscape. The tree species will change as well as the underbrush species. You will find cypress, overcup oaks, persimmon, tupelo gum to be dominant tree species here in and along sloughs. A lot of times the woody species undergrowth will be heavy along the edges and that is generally referred to as a thicket. Sometimes the whole slough will be choked with brushy undergrowth that is a thicket for sure until it gets water in it and then it's a slough. Some sloughs will hold water all year if they have a little depth to them. these slough can and do hold gators. All sloughs will hold cottonmouths and you can run across the occasional timber rattler along or in them as well. Since they are typically at least moist and a lot of the time holding some water, they are obviously great places to find skeeters thick enough to make it hard to breathe and big enough to stand flat footed and breed a young hen turkey.

They are horrible places to hunt, you should avoid them at all cost. ;)
Well dang, helluva a response. Thanks
 
A slough is a low area that can and will hold water for an extended period of time. Usually if someone around here says something about a slough it is in river bottom type area. Here in AR the eastern side of the state is predominantly skillet flat and has a lot of river bottom areas. Terrain features a lot of the time are measured in couple of feet like 1-3'. A slough or brake is shallow depression area on an otherwise flat landscape. The tree species will change as well as the underbrush species. You will find cypress, overcup oaks, persimmon, tupelo gum to be dominant tree species here in and along sloughs. A lot of times the woody species undergrowth will be heavy along the edges and that is generally referred to as a thicket. Sometimes the whole slough will be choked with brushy undergrowth that is a thicket for sure until it gets water in it and then it's a slough. Some sloughs will hold water all year if they have a little depth to them. these slough can and do hold gators. All sloughs will hold cottonmouths and you can run across the occasional timber rattler along or in them as well. Since they are typically at least moist and a lot of the time holding some water, they are obviously great places to find skeeters thick enough to make it hard to breathe and big enough to stand flat footed and breed a young hen turkey.

They are horrible places to hunt, you should avoid them at all cost. ;)
The piece of public I am concentrating on at first is a large, mostly flat swampy flood plane bordering a slow moving river on the west, high bluffs of mixed forest on the east, a rails-to-trails elevated trail on the north, and more swampy flood plane on the south(protected land).

The plane itself I believe is largely cypress and oak and it is interspersed with a series of meandering streams that keep water year round.

When I was there on tuesday, the water was high, and I didnt have a canoe with me. Im unsure how much dry land remains within the plane during high water times. Next time I go I will be bringing a canoe. Hoping to find some remote dry spots to set up on.

Im also gonna look for oak trees and other food sources that are in relatively shallow water now, so that I can know where the dry spots are when water levels go down. Keeping a journal with river gauge heights and subjective conditions so that I hopefully can find and geotag trees to hunt from in nearly any water level.



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Unfortunately I think scouting multiple places is going to help stack odds in your favor. If you show up to one and a bunch of people are there, you’ll have a back up! As others have said, get out there now and look for human sign as well. Best of luck!
 
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