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In need of a little advice.

Ditchdiver said:
Hello, all.
I just picked up a Slick Stick and need arrows and broadheads. Here are the stats-
Bow - 40# @28"
My draw length - 27" ( so, 37.5# draw weight? )
I'm thinking I want 500 spine arrows @ 30" with about 200 grains up front (total). For broadheads I am REALLY liking the looks of Simmons Safari (205 grain).
Do you think I'm on the right track? Any advice/suggestions are very appreciated.
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Jeff Phillips on YouTube, Instinctive Addiction Archery has several videos on this exact subject and he is similar to your specs as am I.

My best advice is whether it's here or a YouTuber or in person coach. Pick one mentor and follow their complete process and tuning methods and no one else's while you're first getting into it. One guy will tell you one thing another something contradictory and in the end you'll just be confused trying to sort through it all.

A few have suggested and I agree, order an arrow test kit from 3 Rivers then you'll find out exactly what you need if you think you're ready to bareshaft tune. But be forewarned if you're really new to trad shooting bareshaft testing is going to be hit or miss until you nail down your form and a solid release. If anything if you are new I'd just get a set of 600 spine pre-fletched full length arrows and just spend a few weeks or months having fun and learning to be repeatable. Before going down the tuning rabbit hole.
 
I know some people like him but, I'd personally choose someone other than Jeff Phillips to follow on tuning advice. I haven't watched a ton of his stuff but, I summarized my thoughts on one of his tuning videos in this post.

Check this out Jeff's new arrow testing!

Yes, that is definitely a thing. I heard about that (nock tuning) a few years ago from Ranch Fairy's channel. It works. Yeah I have always nock tuned! Now with bend testing first it helps! with carbon arrows it can really change your bare shaft tuning if it's off before you start tuning.
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GCTerpfan said:
I know some people like him but, I'd personally choose someone other than Jeff Phillips to follow on tuning advice. I haven't watched a ton of his stuff but, I summarized my thoughts on one of his tuning videos in this post.

Check this out Jeff's new arrow testing!

Yes, that is definitely a thing. I heard about that (nock tuning) a few years ago from Ranch Fairy's channel. It works. Yeah I have always nock tuned! Now with bend testing first it helps! with carbon arrows it can really change your bare shaft tuning if it's off before you start tuning.
saddlehunter.com
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The OP needs to choose someone he likes and whether it's a YouTuber, real world mentor, or a coach. Trying to find wisdom from half a dozen forum people trying to type out their directions all at one time is a recipe for frustration to say the least.

If Jeff is not to your taste or you feel there are better resources who would you suggest then?
 
HawRiverArcher said:
The OP needs to choose someone he likes and whether it's a YouTuber, real world mentor, or a coach. Trying to find wisdom from half a dozen forum people trying to type out their directions all at one time is a recipe for frustration to say the least.

If Jeff is not to your taste or you feel there are better resources who would you suggest then?
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I don’t necessarily agree that he needs to find one mentor or source. Nobody does everything right, we all have our bad habits. Picking up tips and tricks from multiple sources is a great way to improve and learn. Do you only learn/watch/read information about how to hunt whitetails from one source, or do you learn from many and then fine tune your own techniques? I think learning traditional archery is the same way.

With that said, some of the sources I’d recommend would be the Push, Clay Hayes, Tom Clum and Joel Turner just to name a few.

I’m sure Jeff Phillips has some good info out there also, I’m just not sure I trust his tuning advice as that video I referenced was pretty bad and blatantly wrong on several things.
 
I still say you can't go wrong with a three rivers test kit!! that's what I'm getting ready to do with my Hilljacks ASL bows are two weeks out!! Can't wait Turkey season getting close. Also getting my custom made Jerry hill back quiver made should be here soon.
 
GCTerpfan said:
I don’t necessarily agree that he needs to find one mentor or source. Nobody does everything right, we all have our bad habits. Picking up tips and tricks from multiple sources is a great way to improve and learn. Do you only learn/watch/read information about how to hunt whitetails from one source, or do you learn from many and then fine tune your own techniques? I think learning traditional archery is the same way.

With that said, some of the sources I’d recommend would be the Push, Clay Hayes, Tom Clum and Joel Turner just to name a few.

I’m sure Jeff Phillips has some good info out there also, I’m just not sure I trust his tuning advice as that video I referenced was pretty bad and blatantly wrong on several things.
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The problem with a lot of information and multiple simultaneous sources is paralysis by analysis. You see it all over social media and the forums these days. Newer shooters are spending so much time trying to get advice and weigh all the choices and options to get the "perfect" setup before they even really start that they're neglecting the number one thing they should be doing to be a better shooter, shooting their bow every day consistently.

Yes when I first learned to hunt and shoot I learned it one way from one source, my grandfather and uncle who he taught. Then as I got older and more experienced I began to branch out and explored different methods and techniques but only after I'd built a solid base and mastered some basic skills. But maybe I come from a different school of thought.

Agree with Clay Hayes, he's a wealth of knowledge and practical information for bow building and trad archery.
 
I am new to the longbow. Started with 45lbs 28" draw ,200gr point 100 grains insert. Tested 600, 500, 400 spines. The 400 flew like a dart. I learned to never assume anything. Don't know why but the Black Eagles I am shooting tend to be weaker spine than the other brands. Check out Robert Carter longbow hunting the South. Good luck
 
HawRiverArcher said:
The problem with a lot of information and multiple simultaneous sources is paralysis by analysis. You see it all over social media and the forums these days. Newer shooters are spending so much time trying to get advice and weigh all the choices and options to get the "perfect" setup before they even really start that they're neglecting the number one thing they should be doing to be a better shooter, shooting their bow every day consistently.

Yes when I first learned to hunt and shoot I learned it one way from one source, my grandfather and uncle who he taught. Then as I got older and more experienced I began to branch out and explored different methods and techniques but only after I'd built a solid base and mastered some basic skills. But maybe I come from a different school of thought.

Agree with Clay Hayes, he's a wealth of knowledge and practical information for bow building and trad archery.
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I am going to split the middle between you and @GCTerpfan. There are some singular choices of potential mentors where I would agree with you but I also agree with GCTerpfan in that the forums can also be a valuable resource. The difference with the forum is the reader has the responsibility to sort the wheat from the chafe. That can generally be done by watching for consistency of messaging. If multiple posters are generally saying the same thing and one throws out something completely different, play the odds more times than not. The reader has to own some of the responsibility. If they are just going to chase everything mentioned, they probably are not going to be a very god student of the game anyway. At least not before they have had ample trial and error. If someone is committed to really learning traditional archery and has the budget, they can get everything they need through The Push website but it is going to cost a bit. My order would be to start with Tom Clum's Solid Archery until form is learned and set. Then move to the Tuning class with Matt and Cody Greenwood of TradLab. Finish with Joel Turner's Shot IQ to really learn and dial in your shot process and mental strength for shooting. Not sure what those three courses cost now but I think it was around $600 total. That sounds like a lot but I am pretty confident the ROI will be well worth it. I mean how many rifle shooters do you think would have paid $600 for a one day shooting class with Chris Kyle if they had the opportunity? Those three courses will get you lifetime access and about as high a level of instruction as I am aware of being available.
 
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