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John Eberharts Scent Control

This is what I believe..that much like politics, Noone is going to introduce any new information that’s going to make the other side change their mind. If u “believe” it works then do it .. if you don’t “believe” it works the dont do it.

Whatever method gets u in the tree and smiling is all that matters and both sides can agree with hunter numbers dropping debating over trivial approaches to a hobby is not helping our sport.

At the end the of the day... you do you... and I’ll do me. And that’s ok!
 
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All I know is if I see a rabbit cross in front of me, when I take my beagles up there to the spot they will take off the correct direction every single time.
 
Sorry Red but if you think this is bickering, you should follow this topic on some other forums....yikes.
I have to say that this place has the most courteous posters I've encountered.
Do we have different opinions on how to do things? You bet. But those opinions are what gets us talking and thinking.
For the most part, discussion preceeds the mother of invention (and I will add that it leads to discovery and new tactics).
I love this topic and I love discussing it and brainstorming with you guys...even IF the rest of you guys are completely wrong!


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I agree with you. Sometimes it still gets a little out of hand though. I always come back to the reasoning... why do other people care so much how you or I hunt? I don't care how anyone else hunts. It's amazing to me to watch grown men start name calling other people over their scent control beliefs.
 
I agree with you. Sometimes it still gets a little out of hand though. I always come back to the reasoning... why do other people care so much how you or I hunt? I don't care how anyone else hunts. It's amazing to me to watch grown men start name calling other people over their scent control beliefs.

Red, if we have people claiming that unseen forces moving in mysterious ways govern our success; wearing "magic underwear," sprinkling themselves with "holy water," and performing other strange rites; and emphatically stating that "no matter what others say, I know what I saw/felt/believe"
...

Couldn't we technically sic the "no religion" rule on 'em? ;)
 
Red, if we have people claiming that unseen forces moving in mysterious ways govern our success; wearing "magic underwear," sprinkling themselves with "holy water," and performing other strange rites; and emphatically stating that "no matter what others say, I know what I saw/felt/believe"
...

Couldn't we technically sic the "no religion" rule on 'em? ;)
Now there's a thought.
 
So maybe my new “I like my sets like I like my wife’s hair, bigger, higher, closer to God” signature is not such a good idea??? Hmmmmm....
 
So lets talk about scent loc...... To those of you that do use it (Red). With all this great debate we've had here its got me to thinkin. Do I need an outer layer, or can I get away with the under layers? I know I need the hat w/ face mask and gloves, but can I effectively block my scent with just the under garments. I assume the outer layer of the scent loc suit is no different than the camo I'm wearing now?
 
So lets talk about scent loc...... To those of you that do use it (Red). With all this great debate we've had here its got me to thinkin. Do I need an outer layer, or can I get away with the under layers? I know I need the hat w/ face mask and gloves, but can I effectively block my scent with just the under garments. I assume the outer layer of the scent loc suit is no different than the camo I'm wearing now?
This is how I use scentlok. I don't use it as recommended, but I have found a system that works for me. I hunt from early season in September with temps in the upper 80s until January down to 0. I use the same lightweight scentlok for the entire season. During the early season I only wear it, during the late season I layer under and over it.

Early season- When its hot you sweat, end of story. I have around 3 sets that I rotate, pants, shirt, hat and full facemask. (more sets of gloves than that, I may wear 2 sets of gloves on a hunt) I will wash them after a sweaty hunt because I feel they've been contaminated and bacteria is starting to grow on it. I don't wash everyday, but I will let everything dry before storying it separately and washing all my clothes when I need clean clothes.
Mid season- Temps can range. I wash as needed and layer wool base layers under and warm layers over. The key to my layering system is that anything that I wear over my scentlok is clean. Those layers get put on at the base of the tree or in the tree. Any time I feel a layer has been contaminated I will wash it (it may be after 1 hunt). It's not that much work because usually I'll rotate another layer in and wash a batch together.

Late season- This just builds upon the early season. More clean outer layers.

I replace my scentlok after 2 seasons at most. I know I'm washing it more than recommended and reducing it's life. Usually by this time it is beat to hell anyway. It may sound expensive but its not. I buy the stuff at the end of the season when it goes on huge sales and will probably spend $30-40 on a shirt or pants.

I see a lot of people say its too much work. I don't get that. I get dressed to go hunting and go hunting. With a system in place its not much more work. I hunt a lot after work. I go straight from work to the woods. I get there, pull my airtight bag out and start getting dressed. Pants on first, then rubber boots then shirt. I throw my hat on and put my facemask and a extra set of gloves in my pocket. I put my saddle and knee pads on from an airtight storage bin and grab my pack from the same bin. Lock up the truck, keys and wallet go in my pack and then I put my scentlok gloves on and head to my spot. Unless I was hunting in the clothes I wore to work it is no more work. I'm not going hunting in a collared shirt and khakis anyway.
 
Thanks Red. I figure I'm in bit of a renaissance with my hunting. Got a saddle this year, just got a recurve, and i've always wanted to give scent-loc a try. I want you to know that as spirited as the scent control thread has been it's really helped me to make a decision to give it a try. I listened to some of Mr. Eberhart's pod casts and I'm now familiar with the Rutgers test. This is a great site, and the folks on here are super respectful, and helpful. Thanks again.
 
Thanks Red. I figure I'm in bit of a renaissance with my hunting. Got a saddle this year, just got a recurve, and i've always wanted to give scent-loc a try. I want you to know that as spirited as the scent control thread has been it's really helped me to make a decision to give it a try. I listened to some of Mr. Eberhart's pod casts and I'm now familiar with the Rutgers test. This is a great site, and the folks on here are super respectful, and helpful. Thanks again.
No problem. Good luck!
 
I hunt N Ga mostly, season opens in early September with high temperatures and high humidity. Scent Lok does well for me, also I take Now brand Chlorella- it works.
 
These "either-or" debates on odor reduction vs hunting the wind make my butt tired.
Very few of us, for a variety of reasons, can soly rely on one or the other.

Does carbon work? Yes, to a degree. But there is so much more to odor reduction than just wearing a carbon suit. Very few hunters have the discipline to follow a strict odor regimen.
Hell, few even have the AWARENESS of all the numerous details of an odor reduction scheme, let alone employ the necessary dedication to pull it off.

Hunt the wind? That works, too...but, also only to a certain degree. Of course, if a deer is never down wind or never encounters ground odor, then hunting the wind is 100%.

How many of us have minimum acreage to hunt which limits where and when we can hunt? How many of us have only 1 or 2 access routes that aren't really very low impact?

Once again...there are a lot of hunters that have no awareness of what "down wind"really is. We often alert, and more importantly, EDUCATE deer before we even arrive at, (what we think) is a well thought out stand for wind.

There is another thread about pruners vs saws. Guys are talking about busting brush or breaking branches along their access route with bare hands...Educating the herd? You bet! Total lack of awareness.

How about defining "down wind".
Our scent cone isn't a well defined and consistent line. It billows and fades as the wind takes it away. Take a look at the smoke coming out of your wood burner pipe. 6" wide and dense as it leaves the chimney. 30 yards away and the smoke stream spreads to 20 yards wide, but less dense. Then it encounters an eddy, or an updraft or downdraft. The edges become even less intense or defind. The edges of the smoke stream fades out on the edges. Is the smell of smoke nearly as strong as it is in the core of the smoke stream? No it is not.
Does deer "A" behave just like deer "B" when they encounter the fringes of the fringes of our scent cone? Definately not.

And we can't control where the wind takes that stream, either. Once again, a lot of us only have limited areas to hunt among complex terrain and structure where wind behavior often changes throughout the day...from dawn till dusk, wind patterns change. I contend that there are deer down wind and smell us and we never knew they were there.

Then, there are the deer that walk thru an hour after dark. I swear they explore odors. Ever watch a deer trail a hunter's route? I have many times.
They know we were there. We are home eating dinner and deer are exploring and examining all the odors we left behind. Ever wonder why stands go cold after a hunt or 2?

Minimizing odor busts ain't just about showering, brushing teeth and wearing a carbon suit we kept in a tub.
Each one of those 3 things has a multitude of aspects and a right or wrong way of doing them.

And...
Minimizing odor busts ain't just about hunting the predicted, prevailing wind. Blowing a puff bottle or releasing the occasional floater may tell you what the wind is doing at that moment, but do you really UNDERSTAND wind patterns? Not many guys do.

Minimizing odor busts...
Its about paying strict attention to as many details as possible.
Few of us can rely on one detail and ignore the others.
John pulls it off, but not many guys have the diligence to do what needs done, day in and day out...it take an enormous amount of dedication. And I do believe he gets busted, but to what extent? Certainly not to levels enough to consistently ruin hunts.

A lot of guys say this is taking the fun out of hunting...I say, its all part of the fun.

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You make a lot of good points Tom. I would however say that the saws versus pruners thread I was one to say sometimes you just got to walk through it. I'll share a few pictures to show you what I'm talking about. Sometimes it's more about going through an area than actually hunting in the area. But sometimes the tree you have to get in is surrounded by some thick stuff.
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I agree with you. Sometimes it still gets a little out of hand though. I always come back to the reasoning... why do other people care so much how you or I hunt? I don't care how anyone else hunts. It's amazing to me to watch grown men start name calling other people over their scent control beliefs.

@redsquirrel,

I will speak for myself, but perhaps I can lend some insight into why I care how other people hunt, and why they hunt that way. For me, it is to hone my skills and try to figure out what is best. Should I be doing things differently? Yes, calling people names for why or how they do things is absolutely out of hand. It is self defeating. I just like to know if I am doing something that can be improved upon. Likely the answer is yes. Now, can I afford scentlok? Not at the moment. So I clean my clothes and hunt the wind the best I can. Do I kill deer? Nope! Perhaps that's where I hunt, how I hunt, what I wear, or the fact that I am not a great hunter yet. I do see lots of people kill deer where I hunt public that smell like Tide, smoke cigarettes in and out of their stands, and generally have what I deem poor woodsmanship, but what do I know? I've eaten tag soup 2 years running. Meanwhile, they are filling tags.

With that said, you have two guys that kill mature deer almost every year. John Eberhart is religious about his scent control. Then there is a guy like Dan Infalt, who wears his work boots to the woods. You can't argue with either one of their resumes. They hunt different and it works for them.

So, @redsquirrel, if you want to pass along some of your used up scentlok every two years, I will watch my weight and send you my address!
 
@redsquirrel,

Yes, calling people names for why or how they do things is absolutely out of hand. It is self defeating.
That was exactly my point. Yes we should be interested in how others hunt because we can all certainly learn something from others. But to take it to the point of name calling for how someone else hunts when it doesn't affect you is unacceptable to me.
@redsquirrel,

So, @redsquirrel, if you want to pass along some of your used up scentlok every two years, I will watch my weight and send you my address!
My scentlok is pretty beat to hell by the time it gets retired from hunting lol. Then it goes into my scouting clothes :)
 
You make a lot of good points Tom. I would however say that the saws versus pruners thread I was one to say sometimes you just got to walk through it. I'll share a few pictures to show you what I'm talking about. Sometimes it's more about going through an area than actually hunting in the area. But sometimes the tree you have to get in is surrounded by some thick stuff.
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Not sure how I missed this post, but I'mma have to kindly ask that you quit hunting my spots! Them's my palmetto flats!
 
You make a lot of good points Tom. I would however say that the saws versus pruners thread I was one to say sometimes you just got to walk through it. I'll share a few pictures to show you what I'm talking about. Sometimes it's more about going through an area than actually hunting in the area. But sometimes the tree you have to get in is surrounded by some thick stuff.
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Picture those palmetto as multi flora rose and tell me you could walk thru it with no pruners...and not need a blood transfusion afterward.

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I try to remain as "scent-free" as possible. However, I don't believe it is possible to be completely scent free. If a deer gets downwind of you and gets in your scent stream (cone) or scentless stream, as the case may be, it will more than likely spook. What you may get by with, scent wise, in early season won't cut it with late season pressured deer either, as a rule. I do think the amount of residual scent left behind is lessoned tremendously by a strict scent control regiment. The longer the walk in, the more impossible remaining "scent-free" becomes. Entry and exit, staying downwind, and using rising or falling thermals to your advantage are everthing in beating a deers nose. I've been using scent lok and bathing with scent free Dove soap for many years, but I have yet to beat a mature deer's nose once it got downwind. I'm all for everbody hunting the way they choose and I won't knock success, and what may work for others. All I know is, what does and doesn't work for me. So, I know this: If I forgot the wind and "just hunted" my time would be better spent on the couch.
 
Picture those palmetto as multi flora rose and tell me you could walk thru it with no pruners...and not need a blood transfusion afterward.

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while I can't say I'm familiar with dealing with multiflora rose in a hunting setting I have dealt with stickers of many variety and size. I have never once carried a pair of pruners. If I tried cutting every Palmetto as to not leave my scent on it I would never get any hunting done. Which I thought was the point you were trying to make, not about the stickers poking you. Maybe I misunderstood.
 
while I can't say I'm familiar with dealing with multiflora rose in a hunting setting I have dealt with stickers of many variety and size. I have never once carried a pair of pruners. If I tried cutting every Palmetto as to not leave my scent on it I would never get any hunting done. Which I thought was the point you were trying to make, not about the stickers poking you. Maybe I misunderstood.

Hahaha, if you cut a trail in palmettos on La public land. You will have 20 hunters visit you! Lmao!
 
while I can't say I'm familiar with dealing with multiflora rose in a hunting setting I have dealt with stickers of many variety and size. I have never once carried a pair of pruners. If I tried cutting every Palmetto as to not leave my scent on it I would never get any hunting done. Which I thought was the point you were trying to make, not about the stickers poking you. Maybe I misunderstood.
Haha stickers?????? Multi flora rose is not a sticker. It certainly isnt like walking thru raspberry, thats for sure. Picture yourself walking through a tangle of treble hooks. Every last little thorn tip grabs you and sinks into your skin or clothes and it DOES NOT LET GO. You can't plow thru it without extreme exertion and noise...plus, it rips your expensive clothes to shreds. I have access trails that vary from impenitable walls of MFR, to the odd one or 2 plants along the way. Even one, single MFR can make forward progress miserable. The instant you brush against it, it buries in you and won't let go...a sticker? IT AIN'T A STICKER.
I dont mean to be insulting to any of you, but if you walk thru MFR country without pruners...what the hell is wrong with you?
And it is a 2 fold issue, actually a 3 fold issue...scent, sound, and ease of movement. I realize this site has many experienced hunters on it...as a 61 year old thats been doing it since I was 10 consider myself one of the experienced guys. No pruners?? Thats nuts.

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