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John Eberharts Scent Control

Allegheny Tom said:
Haha stickers?????? Multi flora rose is not a sticker. It certainly isnt like walking thru raspberry, thats for sure. Picture yourself walking through a tangle of treble hooks. Every last little thorn tip grabs you and sinks into your skin or clothes and it DOES NOT LET GO. You can't plow thru it without extreme exertion and noise...plus, it rips your expensive clothes to shreds. I have access trails that vary from impenitable walls of MFR, to the odd one or 2 plants along the way. Even one, single MFR can make forward progress miserable. The instant you brush against it, it buries in you and won't let go...a sticker? IT AIN'T A STICKER.
I dont mean to be insulting to any of you, but if you walk thru MFR country without pruners...what the hell is wrong with you?
And it is a 2 fold issue, actually a 3 fold issue...scent, sound, and ease of movement. I realize this site has many experienced hunters on it...as a 61 year old thats been doing it since I was 10 consider myself one of the experienced guys. No pruners?? Thats nuts.

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Again different geographical locations different set of challenges. Again not having pruners where I hunt is not nuts.
 
denots said:
Again different geographical locations different set of challenges. Again not having pruners where I hunt is not nuts.
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Fair enough. But if you ever come to Pa, Oh, or IA, bring pruners. If you forget yours, I can rent you a pair.
I still can't imagine an area where there aren't things I want to prune. Whether it's shooting lanes, odor reduction, or for quieter access... it's like you and I are on 2 different planets...I just don't understand the aversion to pruners. Not ripping on you, but I just don't understand it.
 
I guess my mindset goes back many years to the day I watched a doe smell a single thumb print on a tree I touched with freshly washed hands. It told me just how sensitive deer are to ANYTHING we touch. When I get near my stand, if it's in my way. I either prune it or go around it. I don't touch it. And sometimes, going around a simple roadblock of 1 branch, can screw-up my approach, or my timing in getting to my tree. And every time I prune my access, the next time gets easier.
But hey, plow on thru. If that works for you in the south then do it. But it isn't prudent hunting where I live.
Good luck to you and I hope I haven't insulted you or your style....go for it.
 
Allegheny Tom said:
Fair enough. But if you ever come to Pa, Oh, or IA, bring pruners. If you forget yours, I can rent you a pair.
I still can't imagine an area where there aren't things I want to prune. Whether it's shooting lanes, odor reduction, or for quieter access... it's like you and I are on 2 different planets...I just don't understand the aversion to pruners. Not ripping on you, but I just don't understand it.
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I don't have any aversion to pruners. I've just never found it necessary or beneficial to pack them that's all. Not for scent control or any other reason. As far as being offended it would take a lot more than a Yankee who's afraid of a sticker bush to offend me;) All kidding aside it doesn't really matter to me. I was just trying to share a little bit of my hunting area and why I choose not to spend the time to prune my way through an area via photograph with you.
 
For Multi Flora Rose this is my pruner. I clear trails in late summer where ever I think I'll need them for the coming fall. Some sadist planted Multi Flora Rose for pheasant cover years ago and it just grew like wild fire here. If you want to clear the stuff out, it responds well to any brush killer sprayed on it. The stuff kills easy, however it leaves the woody stems loaded with those "fish hook barbs" even when the plants are dead so clearing with a brush cutter like this is a requirement.

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ricky racer said:
For Multi Flora Rose this is my pruner. I clear trails in late summer where ever I think I'll need them for the coming fall. Some sadist planted Multi Flora Rose for pheasant cover years ago and it just grew like wild fire here. If you want to clear the stuff out, it responds well to any brush killer sprayed on it. The stuff kills easy, however it leaves the woody stems loaded with those "fish hook barbs" even when the plants are dead so clearing with a brush cutter like this is a requirement.

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That looks more like my speed

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Allegheny Tom said:
I guess my mindset goes back many years to the day I watched a doe smell a single thumb print on a tree I touched with freshly washed hands. It told me just how sensitive deer are to ANYTHING we touch. When I get near my stand, if it's in my way. I either prune it or go around it. I don't touch it. And sometimes, going around a simple roadblock of 1 branch, can screw-up my approach, or my timing in getting to my tree. And every time I prune my access, the next time gets easier.
But hey, plow on thru. If that works for you in the south then do it. But it isn't prudent hunting where I live.
Good luck to you and I hope I haven't insulted you or your style....go for it.
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That's exactly what I do. My goal is to never touch anything but the ground entering or more importantly, leaving my stand. I say more importantly leaving because the deer are moving more at night and a sloppy hunter leaving scent on everything while leaving is likely to have more deer pass through the area at night and getting alerted to your location. Now if I could find a way to "Beam Me Up" to a stand location, I'd be all set.;)
 
ricky racer said:
That's exactly what I do. My goal is to never touch anything but the ground entering or more importantly, leaving my stand. I say more importantly leaving because the deer are moving more at night and a sloppy hunter leaving scent on everything while leaving is likely to have more deer pass through the area at night and getting alerted to your location. Now if I could find a way to "Beam Me Up" to a stand location, I'd be all set.;)
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I wish there was a button for multiple likes. This would get multiples, for sure. Nice job Rick.

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ricky racer said:
This is the actual blade I use. It will cut saplings 1"-2" in diameter with ease as well.

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We would get a boat load of palmettos before every duck hunt to freshen up the blind. That’s the blade I used. It’s was bad to the bone. Sounded like a guillotine with every swing. Shooowring! Lol. Had unlimited supply in the backyard. Made it easy until you hit one with a red wasp nest under it. Blades were flying then! Hahahaha.

There’s times when I wish I had pruners. Like making a quick ground blind. I always carry a folding saw, but the lil flexible branch tips or brush give and whip me in the face when I pull the saw. Lol

For permanent stands that I hung during season, I use to take some loppers and quietly snip a trail. Man it’s Nice walking in the dark on a groomed trail. Less stuff for spiders to set up those clothes lines on ya. Banana spider web wrapped around the face and the spider crawling down your shirt will make ya just ruin a spot! Lol
 
Allegheny Tom said:
Haha stickers?????? Multi flora rose is not a sticker. It certainly isnt like walking thru raspberry, thats for sure. Picture yourself walking through a tangle of treble hooks. Every last little thorn tip grabs you and sinks into your skin or clothes and it DOES NOT LET GO. You can't plow thru it without extreme exertion and noise...plus, it rips your expensive clothes to shreds. I have access trails that vary from impenitable walls of MFR, to the odd one or 2 plants along the way. Even one, single MFR can make forward progress miserable. The instant you brush against it, it buries in you and won't let go...a sticker? IT AIN'T A STICKER.
I dont mean to be insulting to any of you, but if you walk thru MFR country without pruners...what the hell is wrong with you?
And it is a 2 fold issue, actually a 3 fold issue...scent, sound, and ease of movement. I realize this site has many experienced hunters on it...as a 61 year old thats been doing it since I was 10 consider myself one of the experienced guys. No pruners?? Thats nuts.

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Sounds like MFR is a real M’fr
 
Multi-Flora Rose ("multiple rose bush", I heard one old boy call em) will shred you without pruners. Even though multi-flora rose is an invasive, we aren't allowed to cut anything other than willow's on MO public land, so I make a wide berth around the MF'rs when necessary.
 
Has anyone used the carbon synergy products? Would like to here from some scent control gurus and what there thoughts are with them. Including John Eberhardt. The guy that developed them is a chemist. I listened to a podcast and he claimed that to reactivate carbon it cant be done in a dryer. And that after its used to capacity its basically garbage unless heated to 1200 degrees at witch point the clothing would be ashes. His product is a powder that you can use dry or put it in water to impregnate your clothes with. Then in week or so just wash the garments and repeat the process. Hmmmm.

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Huntorbhunted said:
Has anyone used the carbon synergy products? Would like to here from some scent control gurus and what there thoughts are with them. Including John Eberhardt. The guy that developed them is a chemist. I listened to a podcast and he claimed that to reactivate carbon it cant be done in a dryer. And that after its used to capacity its basically garbage unless heated to 1200 degrees at witch point the clothing would be ashes. His product is a powder that you can use dry or put it in water to impregnate your clothes with. Then in week or so just wash the garments and repeat the process. Hmmmm.

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Ive used activated carbon powder, which I assume was the same as carbon synergy. I believe its very effective...very messy, too. The stuff I've used turned my skin black. Not only did I do my routine shower before the hunt, the carbon powder made me have to shower again AFTER the hunt.
I would add that I don't believe anything "works" (I hate that term when used in scent control threads) 100% of the time. There are so many other factors involved. I try to put as many odds in my favor as I can.

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Huntorbhunted said:
Has anyone used the carbon synergy products? Would like to here from some scent control gurus and what there thoughts are with them. Including John Eberhardt. The guy that developed them is a chemist. I listened to a podcast and he claimed that to reactivate carbon it cant be done in a dryer. And that after its used to capacity its basically garbage unless heated to 1200 degrees at witch point the clothing would be ashes. His product is a powder that you can use dry or put it in water to impregnate your clothes with. Then in week or so just wash the garments and repeat the process. Hmmmm.

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Marc Anthony used to push this product before his downfall. I tried it and had success in the midwest - had a doe lick my boot while hunting on the ground with a ghillie. The downside is that you will be covered in a fine carbon dust while wearing your clothes, including getting in your eyes, mouth, and nose. Your camo will turn 3 shades darker and will take several washings to completely wash out if you try. It is an absolute mess, so I would stick to Scentlok. Doesn't help that I am allergic to carbon and my throat decided to swell shut during the hunt too. I can get by with Scentlok with less reaction, but still pay a price, so I only use it if I am after a known huge buck in his bed.

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Ok must have been an old podcast that stitcher recommended for me. I'm not a big scent control freak but been researching the science behind it all. If it works for people and gives them confidence that's great. To me it doesn't look very fun to go to the lengths that some do. When you've got alot of people being successful just playing the wind. Thanks for replying to my questions.

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I choose to use scent control and wind. But if the wind changes or is not perfect I don't move trees. I only hunt my spots once or twice anyway. I can't help wonder watching the beast crew or hunting public crew and thinking scent control may help them in some situations.
 
I have been bow hunting since 1962 an taken my share of deer an some bucks.I gained my knowledge by mistakes.Scent control is a must by that i mean control your entry an exit in the woods.Never hunt the same tree twice.Never walk on game trails.I wash my hunting cloths with scent free detergent hang out side to dry an store in plastic container.your hunting cloths will pick up the woods scent over time.Take showers at least one a day.Slow down take your sweet time going to an from the woods.Hunt the wind.Scent can ruin your days hunt.
 
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