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Life and personal health reason are forcing me to change my hunting policy to buck only

I get a lot of fat and protein from fish now. Good thing I love salmon and fish in general. I think everyone point about process food is right. I switch to a lot of the 'no sugar' version of the food I eat and I dont taste too much of a difference. But its the 'added sugar' is the kicker. Most things naturally have sugars.
Fish is good. Though there's only so many ways to do salmon lol.

I hate the term processed food because unless you only eat raw meat, fruits or veggies, everything is processed.

What people refer to as processed foods is chemicals added. So much garbage in food prepackaged food. How can brewed be bread if it can literally sit on shelves for months without turning into a mold factory. When I make bread, it goes green in 3 days.

A guy I used to listen to that was big in the permaculture, fitness and survival worlds age basically a carnivore diet after a similar wake-up call. His rule was if it came out of a box, he didn't eat it. If it couldn't be grown, caught or hunted, he didn't eat it.
 
I think I'm going to do that after this upcoming test. Problem is I'm actually losing a lot of weight because of the diet so in my wife's view, its WORKING. I'm not sure if I'm actually healthier, or that my eating habit was SO bad that basically ANY healthy eating is helping me, even if its not optimal, ya know?
If your only goal is to drop pounds, then she can say that it works but losing weight doesn't necessarily mean healthy. You can be very unhealthy being this just as much as one could be unhealthy being a fat slob.
 
I haven't killed a doe in 7 years. I hurt my lower back and moving animals by myself is now slow and risky, despite being stronger than I was in my 20s due to working out. I now only shoot animals I deem worth the effort. And that is right around an 8 point buck with 14 inch outside spread. I only like venison so so (prefer beef) and I don't need to worry about food, so it's just for the challenge now.

You could always shoot a doe with your bow to get your sea legs regarding the trad bow, and then donate the doe to hunters for the hungry or anyone. Maybe you have a nephew obsessed with deer jerky that would take the whole doe?
 
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I started typing earlier but didn’t have time to send. Seems like most of this has already been said.

Cutting out a bunch of healthy stuff because you been eating a bunch of unhealthy stuff doesn’t make sense to me. Cutting processed foods, fast food, sodas, and sugar makes complete sense. Fat is not bad for you, your body needs it. Protein is not bad, you need it. Red meat is not bad for you, it contains tons of vitamins and minerals your body depends on. Most of the studies still sited today for cholesterol were done in the 80-90s when everyone was still chain smoking cigs which increases bad cholesterol and decreases what they call good cholesterol (bad data). Most doctors are still pushing the food pyramid which has been debunked as absolute garbage. People seem to have a tendency to just flip flop from one extreme to the next where a simple non processed meat and three diet happy medium would be much more sustainable and enjoyable.

This bit comes to mind lol
 
I started typing earlier but didn’t have time to send. Seems like most of this has already been said.

Cutting out a bunch of healthy stuff because you been eating a bunch of unhealthy stuff doesn’t make sense to me. Cutting processed foods, fast food, sodas, and sugar makes complete sense. Fat is not bad for you, your body needs it. Protein is not bad, you need it. Red meat is not bad for you, it contains tons of vitamins and minerals your body depends on. Most of the studies still sited today for cholesterol were done in the 80-90s when everyone was still chain smoking cigs which increases bad cholesterol and decreases what they call good cholesterol (bad data). Most doctors are still pushing the food pyramid which has been debunked as absolute garbage. People seem to have a tendency to just flip flop from one extreme to the next where a simple non processed meat and three diet happy medium would be much more sustainable and enjoyable.

This bit comes to mind lol
I love Nate, this is one of my favorite skit
 
Dairy and eggs and red meat are generally not the problem. Processed is the problem. Switch to whole, real foods and get on an exercise program. For sure everbody's bodies are different so monitor your results and adapt as needed. Do some research for yourself(you and your wife) and stop relying solely on pill pushers to give you the best advice.
I just want to point out @BTaylor is also the starter of the Little Debbie thread...
But I dont recall anyone saying they are good for you. Good. Just not for you. :)
 
I just want to point out @BTaylor is also the starter of the Little Debbie thread...
But I dont recall anyone saying they are good for you. Good. Just not for you. :)
Guilty as charged. I am a lifelong Debbie addict. That said, I limit them to only weekend hunts during season and a very rare exception the rest of the year. I started working on my diet a few years ago and there is still plenty of room for improvement but during the week we do not eat out and we meal prep every sunday for the upcoming week. Between my wife and I, we will eat 2.5-3 whole deer, 1-2 depending on size wild hogs and atleast one wild turkey a year with occasional caught fish or small game like rabbits or skwerls thrown in. Vegetables come from the produce section and we eat a lot of fruit. 99% of the time I now drink no caffeine or soft drinks. Soft drinks now are ginger ale and again maybe one a weekend. The rest of the time its decaf coffee, water, brewed green tea and milk. Oh and I drink a 24 ounce electrolyte mix everyday, transparent labs, redmond or wilderness athlete are the three we use. We get some sort of exercise everyday almost without exception but go to the gym at least 3 days a week, usually 4. We run or hike a lot. Weekends and hunting season are my weak areas because it is just easier to eat convenient stuff which seldom good stuff.
 
I know the title doesn't make sense. But I felt like sharing some life updates with you all, who I consider as my group therapy members.

After years of avoiding doctor checkup because I knew my eating habits was bad but telling my wife I'm doing better with taking care of myself. She finally drag me to the doctor for a physical and the reports are bad.

I'm pre-diabetic (right at the border of being diabetic) with high cholesterol as a bonus. Like HIGH......doctor word was quote "gravely concerning" level. 'Good new' is that its properly hereditary. Yay.

Also my father in law just had a stroke recently. He was a man who never really take care of his body. Like never drank water in his life (very serious) and havn't even eaten a fruit in decades. Drink nothing but soda and sweet tea.

Needless to say, wife is furious. She taken it upon herself to take charge of my food intake completely. Not even trusting me with my lunch decision, which I admit I have not made good choices. Popeyes chicken sandwich instead of Subway.

Just water with occasional cup of decaf coffee with oakmilk and one packet of Stevia only.
2.5 liter of water a day
No milk
No butter
No shrimp or any shellfish
No fried food
2 salad a day (a salad for breakfast is common now for me)
No potato
No sugar of any kind without her approval
No salt of any kind without her approval
No bread unless its whole grain that she approval of.
No dark chicken meat.

So I have lost 15 lbs in the last month.

But now the issue is NO RED MEAT.

She sat me down and said that she'll compromise with the venison because she knows how important it is to me. I can still have venison in moderation. But since we don't need as much meat, she would like me to just shoot bucks. She feel like I'm at a point skill wise I can successfully hunt doe most of the time. And that my goal was to always be hunting only buck with a trad bow, this is just asking me to forward my goal/plan/step/process. She knows its not fair that my body is working against me, but that's the reality of the situation and I need to change my eating habits.

So my policy of using a traditional bow only on first decent size deer that I see has changed. So now I'm a buck only hunter.

I was honestly not surprised when she asked me this and was semi prepared for it. For everything she does for me and how much I want to be around for a while to see my kids growing up. I am at peace with the reality of my situation.

She needs me around for a long time, contrary to what she tell me all the time. Life and lemons, life and lemons.....

Just over sharing my life with you all just like usual.

Everyone, take care of your family, yourself, and others. In the end, there are more important things in life then saddles and carabiners. I am not quite at the level of bird watching, even then I'll stick around this forum asking about what's the best platform for bird watching.
I can relate!! I’ve been through it all. The pre diabetic is extremely common and almost anyone who tests for it especially if they drink a lot of fluids other than water it is a factor. I can tell you that processed foods are also a great contributor. My son is a personal trainer/dietician and has proven to me how things can change. Blood pressure and cholesterol are all factors that will affect you. I have recently been dealing with all this. Be aware that diet alone won’t fix it but will help greatly. Also, be aware of the medications you take to help. I have had several reactions to some and also found one of the cholesterol meds was greatly affected my joints especially my shoulders!! Some of the meds made me feel worse than I was! Always ask your doctor questions make him be involved, don’t let him just see you at an app and just prescribe stuff to experiment!! Good luck and I hope it all works out for the best.
 
I can relate!! I’ve been through it all. The pre diabetic is extremely common and almost anyone who tests for it especially if they drink a lot of fluids other than water it is a factor. I can tell you that processed foods are also a great contributor. My son is a personal trainer/dietician and has proven to me how things can change. Blood pressure and cholesterol are all factors that will affect you. I have recently been dealing with all this. Be aware that diet alone won’t fix it but will help greatly. Also, be aware of the medications you take to help. I have had several reactions to some and also found one of the cholesterol meds was greatly affected my joints especially my shoulders!! Some of the meds made me feel worse than I was! Always ask your doctor questions make him be involved, don’t let him just see you at an app and just prescribe stuff to experiment!! Good luck and I hope it all works out for the best.

I've heard from several people to do everything possible to stay off statin drugs because of the side effects (which may not be represented accurately by your doc or big pharma).
 
@HuumanCreed, as you can see, you can talk to a dozen people about nutrition and get 13 opinions. Find a nutritionist if you have medical issues and need to eat around them.

My wife has cholesterol/heart/diabetic issues in her family, and after watching several of her family members die too young with missing feet or other really horrific ailments, I was able to impress upon her that she needed to change inherited habits. On my side of the family, we're generally a (regrettably) long-lived group of unpleasant people who are plagued by dementia, Alzheimer's, schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, thyroid issues, and a pretty good bit of colon cancer.

What gets lost in the noise is:

  • There's no single "Holy Grail" diet that we've discovered to make all of the people, all the way healthy, all the time.
  • Peaks and valleys to the landscape are legion, and the Standard American Diet is practically custom-made to kill you young, which is why it seems people can swap to almost any diet and report life-changing improvements. Go vegan, go carnivore, go Mediterranean, go Soylent Green...it's not hard to do better, especially if you couple diet change with other healthy changes like quitting substances (legal or otherwise), getting more sleep, exercising more, living more intentionally...the list goes on.
  • People are different, and what's healthy for one person may not be ideal for the other. Somewhat simplistic but easy examples include nut allergies, lactose intolerance, ALDH2 deficiency, or Alpha-gal syndrome. Just because I consume pistachios, whole milk, Guinness, and NYS and am perfectly healthy doesn't mean that everybody else should eat what I eat.
You should find a nutritionist that's well-regarded, preferably one who is knowledgeable about your situation, communicate with them honestly and often, and ignore everybody else.

I have really gone whole-ham into cooking in the last couple of years. I've read more cooking books than outdoor books this year, and have dropped hunting related subscriptions in favor of Masterclass, America's Test Kitchen, and the like. I have personally found that really "getting into" food and taking control of the cooking has made it actually more enjoyable to eat "healthy" than to eat out or eat junk. Instead of "having" to cook, I now "get to" cook, and I thoroughly enjoy making new dinners and remaking and incrementally improving old ones. I've gotten my wife hooked on stuff she never used to eat, like arugula and salmon. We eat a much more diverse diet because I'm "playing" with food and seeking new things to try and enjoy instead of just "grabbing whatever."

And while you should trust your nutritionist over me, my personal suspicion is that the current nutritional trends are sponsored by Big Ag, which really doesn't want to change gears and would instead prefer to keep churning out subsidized soybeans and corn to feed to beef steers and our fat butts because that's a well-established, comfortable, and profitable business model. Call me a soy boy, but I get a kick and a half out of the carnivore thing. Eat a steak if you want a steak, but be a big boy and eat your vegetables too. And knowing the difference between farro, quinoa, and bulghur and having a wine preference makes you more appealing to women, not less.
 
I think I'm going to do that after this upcoming test. Problem is I'm actually losing a lot of weight because of the diet so in my wife's view, its WORKING. I'm not sure if I'm actually healthier, or that my eating habit was SO bad that basically ANY healthy eating is helping me, even if its not optimal, ya know?

Losing weight can help or can actually worsen these biomarkers. That includes losing muscle and fat.

Probably it’s indisputable though, that eating whole foods vice processed and fast foods is way better for you.

But you need to figure out what and how to eat for your situation to optimize your personal health.
 
Not many of us get to live forever, so you do You. I've had high cholesterol and triglycerides since my late 20s; I take the meds and watch the diet but not obsessed about it. To me a venison meal is a quality-of-life issue, to others, not so much. Do what you need to do, and I wish you a long and happy life.
 
This is great discussion. I hope we all take something positive from it.

Years ago, before I paid much attention to my health, my wife asked me to go to the doctor for a checkup. As I expected they told me I was way out of whack with my cholesterol, etc., and wanted to start putting me on medications to correct it all. I said no, and we'd see what I could do in a year.

I started exercising a lot, started eating a little better, and a year later, had made some progress. Made a few more changes, and they still want to put me on cholesterol meds, but I'm just barely out of the recommended ranges, so they don't push too hard on me. The biggest thing I changed was to try and eat more vegetables and foods that have a lot of fiber. I also did some online research and found a study that said most of the cholesterol in our blood doesn't come from what we eat; it's produced by our bodies, and the types of carbs we eat influence the type of cholesterol. (Now I wish I had the link to that, because I can't remember the details.)

Anyway, I cut out the junk I was eating for breakfast - typical drive-thru fare - and my weekday breakfast is an avocado and one boiled egg mashed together, with a little Franks, Tabasco, or whatever for a little kick. That gets me good nutrition, some protein, a good balance of fats, and keeps me from being hungry until lunch. We always try to make sure two-thirds of supper is vegetables of some kind, and I eat lots of combinations of rice and beans for my lunches.

I had also been running 40-60 miles per month. That has taken a huge hit since I found out I have arthritis in my knees. I was back to less than 15 miles/month through this summer, and two weeks ago struggled to get to 1.5 miles on a run. That pissed me off, since this spring I was running 5 miles on a workout. I have decided that my knees will be easier to replace than my heart, and I'm back on that wagon.

Another tough realization for me was that I was eating when I wasn't hungry. Usually it was when I was having one of those "what the hell were they thinking?" or "can you not read?" moments at work. That's one pitfall from working at home - the fridge is always right there.

But you have to find what works for you, and stick to it. If something isn't working, try another plan, and try to be better every day.
 
I know the title doesn't make sense. But I felt like sharing some life updates with you all, who I consider as my group therapy members.

After years of avoiding doctor checkup because I knew my eating habits was bad but telling my wife I'm doing better with taking care of myself. She finally drag me to the doctor for a physical and the reports are bad.

I'm pre-diabetic (right at the border of being diabetic) with high cholesterol as a bonus. Like HIGH......doctor word was quote "gravely concerning" level. 'Good new' is that its properly hereditary. Yay.

Also my father in law just had a stroke recently. He was a man who never really take care of his body. Like never drank water in his life (very serious) and havn't even eaten a fruit in decades. Drink nothing but soda and sweet tea.

Needless to say, wife is furious. She taken it upon herself to take charge of my food intake completely. Not even trusting me with my lunch decision, which I admit I have not made good choices. Popeyes chicken sandwich instead of Subway.

Just water with occasional cup of decaf coffee with oakmilk and one packet of Stevia only.
2.5 liter of water a day
No milk
No butter
No shrimp or any shellfish
No fried food
2 salad a day (a salad for breakfast is common now for me)
No potato
No sugar of any kind without her approval
No salt of any kind without her approval
No bread unless its whole grain that she approval of.
No dark chicken meat.

So I have lost 15 lbs in the last month.

But now the issue is NO RED MEAT.

She sat me down and said that she'll compromise with the venison because she knows how important it is to me. I can still have venison in moderation. But since we don't need as much meat, she would like me to just shoot bucks. She feel like I'm at a point skill wise I can successfully hunt doe most of the time. And that my goal was to always be hunting only buck with a trad bow, this is just asking me to forward my goal/plan/step/process. She knows its not fair that my body is working against me, but that's the reality of the situation and I need to change my eating habits.

So my policy of using a traditional bow only on first decent size deer that I see has changed. So now I'm a buck only hunter.

I was honestly not surprised when she asked me this and was semi prepared for it. For everything she does for me and how much I want to be around for a while to see my kids growing up. I am at peace with the reality of my situation.

She needs me around for a long time, contrary to what she tell me all the time. Life and lemons, life and lemons.....

Just over sharing my life with you all just like usual.

Everyone, take care of your family, yourself, and others. In the end, there are more important things in life then saddles and carabiners. I am not quite at the level of bird watching, even then I'll stick around this forum asking about what's the best platform for bird watching.
Going thru the same kind of stuff for a while now. Ask your doctor if it would be good for you to do a coronary calcium score test. It let you know if you are having plaque buildup. If you do now is the time to do something about it. I hate doctors but hate having a heart attack or stroke also. Good Luck
 
Dairy and eggs and red meat are generally not the problem. Processed is the problem. Switch to whole, real foods and get on an exercise program. For sure everbody's bodies are different so monitor your results and adapt as needed. Do some research for yourself(you and your wife) and stop relying solely on pill pushers to give you the best advice.
100%. I had high cholesterol and pre-diabetes. Heart doc wanted to do a statin and I got all the no this and none of that talk. Did some research for my self and dropped my cholesterol levels significantly with just a diet change that consists mostly of venison and fish. Have lost almost 30 pounds and feel great. My primary was blown away at the blood work change in a short period time.
 
Alright. Somebody's gotta say it.
You need to grow a pair and tell that little woman of yours to mind her own damn business and never mind how many deers your shootin or what puttin down your gullet. Do you tell her how to dress or what to eat? The nerve of some people. Sheesh! Next thing ya know she'll be bannin you from bringing Little Debbies out huntin with ya. Deers were made to be shot. Keep shootin until your outta arrows. Remember that. You're welcome. :tearsofjoy:
 
Alright. Somebody's gotta say it.
You need to grow a pair and tell that little woman of yours to mind her own damn business and never mind how many deers your shootin or what puttin down your gullet. Do you tell her how to dress or what to eat? The nerve of some people. Sheesh! Next thing ya know she'll be bannin you from bringing Little Debbies out huntin with ya. Deers were made to be shot. Keep shootin until your outta arrows. Remember that. You're welcome. :tearsofjoy:
I want to get my wife to a couples counselor, are you available?
 
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