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Madrock Safeguard Failure

Still Kicking said:
I used a safeguard on canyon elite for several years and never had a problem, but I stay out of the trees when it's raining.
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My issue wasn’t related to the rain. It was due to jamming up on the rope because it doesn’t feed as well on the larger ropes, even when it’s in spec.
 
I've rappelled on mine a lot and never a problem. I love the thing. I use canyon elite and rescue tech rope with it.
 
Still Kicking said:
I used a safeguard on canyon elite for several years and never had a problem, but I stay out of the trees when it's raining.
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I would have said the same thing 3 days ago. For the sake of clarity, I wasn't climbing in the rain but it was my second climb after a rain and things were wet. I seen enough responses from others to make me believe this can be an occasional problem. It illustrates the importance of having a back up plan as many have commented. I have a back up plan but think I need to learn do a Munter as well. Appreciate all the comments.


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After hanging on your madrock for a long time the rope can milk itself binding the madrock. I've noticed that if I pull a little line through the madrock before rappel that it is smooth. I.e. raise yourself up 3-6", then pull the lever.
I've never been jammed up but have read that it can happen and that's the fix. I've only use it to make the start of rappel smoother.
 
The cover bunching up due to the cam would be my guess also. Slide a tensioned Prusik the entire length of the rope, if there is excess cover, cut of sealed rope end, milk out slack, and reseal.

The sliding, or creeping seems to be unpredictable when it might happen, probably why you should always have a hand on the brake strand, tie an overhand on a bight below it, or if backing up with a friction above, hang on the hitch rather than the device. A way to declutter some is to convert any friction hitch from two legs to one.
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Just a bit of info from my experience. I don’t use my madrock until I’m ready to rappel down. Even though I don’t have my weight on it it’s “sticky” or “jumpy” unless I pull some rope through first. If I stop the rappel it will do it again until I pull that bunch up part of my canyon elite through the madrock and start my rappel again. My case may be different then someone say one sticking as I grab sticks on the way down for now and can stop on a stick and pull the extra rope through before straying again. I know I know I could do better
 
FishBlood&RiverMud said:
After hanging on your madrock for a long time the rope can milk itself binding the madrock. I've noticed that if I pull a little line through the madrock before rappel that it is smooth. I.e. raise yourself up 3-6", then pull the lever.
I've never been jammed up but have read that it can happen and that's the fix. I've only use it to make the start of rappel smoother.
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Thanks for the tip!


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Brocky said:
The cover bunching up due to the cam would be my guess also. Slide a tensioned Prusik the entire length of the rope, if there is excess cover, cut of sealed rope end, milk out slack, and reseal.

The sliding, or creeping seems to be unpredictable when it might happen, probably why you should always have a hand on the brake strand, tie an overhand on a bight below it, or if backing up with a friction above, hang on the hitch rather than the device. A way to declutter some is to convert any friction hitch from two legs to one.
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Excellent suggestion. Thanks.


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FishBlood&RiverMud said:
After hanging on your madrock for a long time the rope can milk itself binding the madrock. I've noticed that if I pull a little line through the madrock before rappel that it is smooth. I.e. raise yourself up 3-6", then pull the lever.
I've never been jammed up but have read that it can happen and that's the fix. I've only use it to make the start of rappel smoother.
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:facepalm: why didn’t I think of that??? getting old is less than ideal. Heck just this morning I was driving with morning dew on my windshield like always. I refuse to turn the wipers on because I’ve convinced myself that the added concentration aids in maintaining my mental clarity. About half way to the office I was wondering why it was taking so long to clear up…..I had never turned on the defroster
 
dalton916 said:
:facepalm: why didn’t I think of that??? getting old is less than ideal. Heck just this morning I was driving with morning dew on my windshield like always. I refuse to turn the wipers on because I’ve convinced myself that the added concentration aids in maintaining my mental clarity. About half way to the office I was wondering why it was taking so long to clear up…..I had never turned on the defroster
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Yep… like coming up on someone doing 53 ina 70
 
I have had several times with the same experience with madrock on canyon elite and it has ALWAYS been on a wet rope. I am certain that has been my issue so now try to keep the excess dry if it starts raining. I dont really sit in rain often but try to wait out short showers and weatheman is often no better than a guess.
 
Antirain said:
I have had several times with the same experience with madrock on canyon elite and it has ALWAYS been on a wet rope. I am certain that has been my issue so now try to keep the excess dry if it starts raining. I dont really sit in rain often but try to wait out short showers and weatheman is often no better than a guess.
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Thanks for sharing! It seems there is a connection between wet canyon elite and Madrock lock ups when you read through these posts. This is a great forum!


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Nosaj said:
I am 185 # and have not had that issue with my madrock. I have been using it for climbing, hanging and rappelling for the last 5 seasons on Sterling canyon_iv. That is only my experience.
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I successfully used sterling canyon-iv with my Madrock for a year as well when I used to one-stick. It's a stiffer rope and probably less susceptible to binding when wet. I like canyon elite better for climbing now. I got mine from the Panther Platform guys and it has a sewn in eye that eliminates the need for a tether locker because it stays put when you move it. But reading the other posts here I believe I am going to need to keep it dry to avoid lock madrock ups. Thanks for your response.


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