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MAKIN EM SCARY SHARP

Super sharp straight blades make a lot of sense to me. I am having trouble reconciling this with RF and Big Mike’s love for the serrated Magnus Buzz Cuts. I emailed RF about it a couple of weeks ago and he said the serrations of the buzz cuts are sharpened and shred pulmonary tissue.

Seems like it would be easier to resharpen a straight blade, though.

What do you guys think? Pros and cons to each of them?
I'll take the straight blade, razor sharp and polished. I know right now, those guys are in the middle of a learning experiment. They're going to be trying a lot of setups. Maybe trying to see what level if any serrations help or hurt? He seems to like them, There's got to be a reason. I know he had one straight head he took a file to. Not like a bread knife, or a steak knife, but like 5 or 6 serious serrations that look bigger and deeper. He's shooting dirty thick skinned pigs mostly. He's looking to get through some dulling media while retaining razor sharp untouched portions of his blade. So he's looking for a pig head. People have been successful with files and serrations since the beginning of time... it works. Shiny razor sharp heads work. I'm sure there's pros and cons to both, and environments one works best in over the other. All in all it's awareness and data points from now on. Put Troys experiment on the Ashby foundations radar if we want to back up one opinion over another and be able to back it up with real data. What that would look like I have no idea. I wonder if the penetration efficiency of the two configurations could be tested some how? Get a fresh dead pig and shoot the two side by side and get a comparative measurement not only of penetration, but of the microscopic analysis of the blade condition and amount of associated tissue left adhering to the blades. Then we need a qualified independent professional to help decipher the findings......... Get Dr. Ashby on the Bat phone. Hahahaha
 
I just think it great that folks are thinking about how sharp their broadheads are in the group. I've seen a lot of broadheads that really don't belong on a hunters arrow and most of the guys that shoot replacement blade heads never even check to see if they are sharp or if they need touched up. Broadheads that spend time in your quiver dull over time and need touched up during the season too. It great to see guys moving away from expandables to cut on contact heads too!! :cool:
 
Ok yea. I guess basically what i was asking was can you run that shape head on a strop. Since the blades are facing both directions making contact at the same time.
 
I just think it great that folks are thinking about how sharp their broadheads are in the group. I've seen a lot of broadheads that really don't belong on a hunters arrow and most of the guys that shoot replacement blade heads never even check to see if they are sharp or if they need touched up. Broadheads that spend time in your quiver dull over time and need touched up during the season too. It great to see guys moving away from expandables to cut on contact heads too!! :cool:
I tried expandables last season for the second time. Buck spun on a 29yd shot n it hit what lookd like a perfect quartering away hit where a coc would have whacked right through. My biggest buck ive ever shot at went running off with n arrow that looked 4 or 5 in deep. I felt terrible. Never shot another again.
 
I hate when this happens.
We have 2 highly respected, highly educated, experts with a wealth of experience of details pertinent to a subject on which they have opposite opinions.
I've followed both Don Thomas and Ed Ashby for over 20 years and I put a great deal of credence in what they say.
In this case of which type of edge is better for a broadhead, I think I will lean toward Ashby's recommendations simply because of the incredible number of animals the he has killed with an arrow, and he studies the wounds in great detail.

I'm not discounting Don's opinions in any way, but Ashby's angle on this more mirrors (slightly) a hunting perspective.
My extremely small, anecdotal sample numbers has been that I've had better results with a mirror edge, than I had with a filed edge, but there are other factors to consider. My experience level is a bit higher these days than when I used a (shaving sharp) filed edge.
My opinion FWIW, If both edges are shaving sharp, they will do the job. When both edges are sharp, then more important is the quality of the head.


Maybe this is just saying that they both work. One problem I have is always trying to find out the "best". Something being the best implies there is factual evidence showing and supporting that this is in fact is the best and there isn't anything stating otherwise.

We see this all the time; "who makes the best bow strings?" "Who makes the best saddle?" "Who makes the best bow?" "Who makes the best broadhead?" "Whose grandma made the best chicken and dumplings?"

The fact is that there really isn't any scientific data that supports what is the "best" although there is a ton of evidence to support WHY they use what they use. I believe this to be very important as it leads to using something for a reason and not just bc mama said so.
 
Ok yea. I guess basically what i was asking was can you run that shape head on a strop. Since the blades are facing both directions making contact at the same time.
I have montecs and i think you would have to strop those the way they fly,not left to right or right to left but pointing away from you.
 
I have always thought acorns have a slight vanilla'ish scent. I think maybe that is the draw.
nose jammer products have a vanilla scent and i was reading on a forum elsewhere about some guys that wear vanilla extract and the deer actually come in to it.
 
The older Montecs were a cast made broadhead...so it could never really get a good edge and hold it.
The jagged versus clean polish argument... I think the jagged head would collect more fat and gristle in the rough parts and a smooth polished edge would just cut continuously with a uniform edge front to back.

Vanilla Killa from Dan Fitzgerald...one of the oldie deer lures from late 80's. Like Trails end 307 has that licorice smell.
 
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