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My next step, arrows

A good cut on contact broadhead on a 600 spine shaft wether it’s carbon or aluminum with your draw and bow weight with arrow weight between 350 to 400 grains will be near perfect and that will zip thru the deer no problem You can go heavier but honestly you don’t need to You want a fairly flat shooting arrow and not a arrow doing a rainbow arc and with your self imposed distance you will kill any deer no problem
 
I think I have come to the conclusion that Cutthroats are most likely what I will start with. 200s, left bevel.

Next year may be different esp if I'm doing my own fletching. Much more choices of BH in the right bevel side.

Yall have no idea how much I value all your input. Thank you SO much, each one of you.
 
JSEXTON23 said:
I don’t consider myself a great deer hunter. Average on my best days. With that said I’ve never released an arrow further than 18 yards at a deer until this past season when I harvested a doe at 24 yards. 90% of my bow harvests have been 12 and under, several from the ground.

I don’t believe it is a lack of being able to get that close but a lack of patience and discipline that drive people to shoot 30+ yards at deer. Not judgement if you want to shoot that far at them, I’ve just never felt the need to. And perhaps the confidence.
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Point being….not everyone can get that close.
 
If you’re getting that close consistently and consider yourself average……that’s the issue. Most people aren’t doing that.

Fact.
 
AppalachianArcher said:
I find this interesting because I know Traditional Bowhunting and Wilderness Podcast is going to be doing some videos on the Bishop arrow setup that is 1350gr. He shooting a Northern Mist Classic that is 56 or 57 pounds at his draw. This would have his TAW over 20gpp. I'm interested to see how they perform, granted they are for dangerous game and not necessarily for whitetails or anything remotely close. So, in theory, they would have close to the same efficiency.
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I‘ve read of a guy named “Monty” shooting fiberglass fishing arrows. Everything is a trade off.
 
kbetts said:
If you’re getting that close consistently and consider yourself average……that’s the issue. Most people aren’t doing that.

Fact.
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I’ve been getting that close since I was 9 years old. I would consider myself below average and here’s why. I went on a dry spell for 3 years recently. I couldn’t see deer it was that bad. Was I doing anything particularly special or unique at 9 years old? I don’t think so. Maybe my body odor wasn’t as strong? The thing I do that other people that only get within 40 yards of deer are not is wait. Just because they’re 40 doesn’t mean they can’t or won’t be at 20 at some point. Sure, I see a bunch of deer at 35-100 yards. I just don’t shoot at them. I wait. That certainly doesn’t make me above average.
 
JSEXTON23 said:
I would also argue that, though you might be approaching the efficiency maximum of any given bow, you haven’t reached it at 20 gpp. I could be wrong and would love to see a test performed.
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I am basing my comments on 2 things; my recall of a study I saw years back about the point of diminishing return involving arrow weight and my own experience with a heavy arrow setup I did during that time frame. Built some hickory arrows that finished out at 950 grains. Through the 50# bow I was shooting at the time, they were hideously slow. To the point that I would not carry them in the woods because every critter other than maybe a 3 toed sloth could walk home and lay down for a nap before the arrow got there. I cant remember for certain what the GPP was where momentum peaked but I thought it was short of 20, more like 16-17 was what I was thinking but like I said, it's been a minute. Regardless, I just cant see where given the criteria of this scenario of light weight draw and short draw length that a 600-700 grain arrow would be a good decision.
 
Gentlemen Thank-you for all your help this summer. Here's what I plan to go to the woods with, this year, anyway.

Galaxy Sage recurve at 45#@28; 39#@25 for me. D97 string. Glove
EFA 4 arrow strap on quiver.
Easton xx75 2016 gamegetters at 28 inches with 5 in left wing feathers and 100 gr insert.
Cutthroat single bevel left wing 200 gr. broadhead.
Total arrow weight: 629

Shooting 20 yards and in.

Sooooo I have 31 days and a wakeup. I know some will shake their heads and that's okay. I'm comfortable shooting this setup. We will see what happens.

Good hunting to all!!
 
kbetts said:
I‘ve read of a guy named “Monty” shooting fiberglass fishing arrows. Everything is a trade off.
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The guy named Monty is Monty Browning, he's killed a huge brown bear and several Alaskan moose with those heavy arrows.
When he wrote up the story of the bear hunt he mentioned that the guide took one look at his longbow and asked how far will you shoot? Monty said 30-45 and the guide relaxed until Monty followed that by saying feet. The guide thought he meant yards. And he did kill a bear at about 30 feet if I remember the story correctly.
 
Phopkins said:
The guy named Monty is Monty Browning, he's killed a huge brown bear and several Alaskan moose with those heavy arrows.
When he wrote up the story of the bear hunt he mentioned that the guide took one look at his longbow and asked how far will you shoot? Monty said 30-45 and the guide relaxed until Monty followed that by saying feet. The guide thought he meant yards. And he did kill a bear at about 30 feet if I remember the story correctly.
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Monty is a hoot. I like the clip in the Wensel "Essential Encounters" video where Monty sneaks up on a pig and grabs it by it's hind legs for a few seconds while it squealed it's brains out.
 
katiesmom said:
Gentlemen Thank-you for all your help this summer. Here's what I plan to go to the woods with, this year, anyway.

Galaxy Sage recurve at 45#@28; 39#@25 for me. D97 string. Glove
EFA 4 arrow strap on quiver.
Easton xx75 2016 gamegetters at 28 inches with 5 in left wing feathers and 100 gr insert.
Cutthroat single bevel left wing 200 gr. broadhead.
Total arrow weight: 629

Shooting 20 yards and in.

Sooooo I have 31 days and a wakeup. I know some will shake their heads and that's okay. I'm comfortable shooting this setup. We will see what happens.

Good hunting to all!!
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You shouldn’t care what others might or might not do with their heads. I’d hunt with that setup.

In fact, I’m pretty close to being fully tuned with a 640 grain arrow from my 42# Navajo Apache. By some of those folks standards, I better get my sundial out and prepare to eat tag soup. My guess is I’ll be just as successful as those folks and I won’t have to brag about how far the deer was, but rather how close.

Best of luck to you.
 
Just a timely follow up. To those who don’t think 40# can push a heavy arrow fast enough or be effective…

 
I am not at all surprised that you need that much weight with that spine at your draw. I would have personally gone 600 shafts. But hey you got some serious FOC. You might notice them dive hard for the dirt past 20 yards though.
 
JSEXTON23 said:
You shouldn’t care what others might or might not do with their heads. I’d hunt with that setup.

In fact, I’m pretty close to being fully tuned with a 640 grain arrow from my 42# Navajo Apache. By some of those folks standards, I better get my sundial out and prepare to eat tag soup. My guess is I’ll be just as successful as those folks and I won’t have to brag about how far the deer was, but rather how close.

Best of luck to you.
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Dude, seriously, no one has said anything about eating tag soup or that a really heavy arrow wont kill the crap out of stuff, at least I havent. At the start and the end of the day, I am firmly of the opinion that bowhunters will be most successful shooting a setup they have absolute confidence in getting the job done, period. I also know unequivocally that it does not take a high FOC super heavy arrow to consistently shoot all the way through a whitetail or an elk or a hog. Your setup will be really efficient at killing deer at whatever range you decide to shoot as long as you can put the arrow where it needs to go. Same can be said for rifles, a 243 will kill whitetails just as dead as a 300 RUM when you put the bullet where it is supposed to go.
 
katiesmom said:
Gentlemen Thank-you for all your help this summer. Here's what I plan to go to the woods with, this year, anyway.

Galaxy Sage recurve at 45#@28; 39#@25 for me. D97 string. Glove
EFA 4 arrow strap on quiver.
Easton xx75 2016 gamegetters at 28 inches with 5 in left wing feathers and 100 gr insert.
Cutthroat single bevel left wing 200 gr. broadhead.
Total arrow weight: 629

Shooting 20 yards and in.

Sooooo I have 31 days and a wakeup. I know some will shake their heads and that's okay. I'm comfortable shooting this setup. We will see what happens.

Good hunting to all!!
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That should wreck a whitetail. Looking forward to the grip and grin's.
 
BTaylor said:
Dude, seriously, no one has said anything about eating tag soup or that a really heavy arrow wont kill the crap out of stuff, at least I havent. At the start and the end of the day, I am firmly of the opinion that bowhunters will be most successful shooting a setup they have absolute confidence in getting the job done, period. I also know unequivocally that it does not take a high FOC super heavy arrow to consistently shoot all the way through a whitetail or an elk or a hog. Your setup will be really efficient at killing deer at whatever range you decide to shoot as long as you can put the arrow where it needs to go. Same can be said for rifles, a 243 will kill whitetails just as dead as a 300 RUM when you put the bullet where it is supposed to go.
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First, nobody said anything about YOU. Whatever touched a nerve with you is your issue, there’s no need to project.

Second, and I hear this is the archery community but all too often in the traditional archery community, “shot placement is everything.” or “any arrow setup will kill anything in North America if you put the arrow where it needs to go.” These statements are so obvious. Is that not why we practice? We all, I have to assume, have the ultimate goal to hit our target, namely a major vital hit in the heart and lungs. The problem with this kind of thinking is we are shooting at living, moving animals. We’re also human. A perfect heart shot is often times only inches away from heavy bone, the humerus or the bottom of the scapula. I find it prudent to shoot a setup that gives me the highest likelihood of being successful in the face of those unintended impacts.

The OP is conscious of the limitations to her setup, and has sought out to maximize the potential for lethality. I would certainly not recommend that she shoot a 350-390 grain arrow, 8-10 gpp common recommendation. I applaud her for the effort to tune an arrow setup for plan b.
 
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