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Newer String material

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Went to buy a new string and have been horrified by all the information that is over 10 years old out there. What modern string material is the best for recurves/ longbows? Is there really a need for something different on an ilf metal riser bow vs a modern wooden /fiberglass reinforced limb tip bow? I’m not looking for what string came on your bow, or what you’ve been shooting for 30 years and had no reason to change. Id prefer to hear from somebody who has made strings in the last 3 years. Is there any difference between the hybrid materials? In 2023 what is the best string material?
 
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I have made strings in the last 3 years but out of material I have had more than 10 years lol. TS1+ to be exact. Dont think it is available anymore. I am shooting a mercury string that came with the Stalker I'm shooting now. I have been impressed with it, considering buying some to build new strings. D97 has been around for a long time now and for good reason, it just makes great strings. @JSEXTON23 and some of the others, I am sure, will be along to speak to the newer stuff.
 
What's wrong with old information? I've got a mix of modern and 1980s-era recurves so I've singled up on B55.
 
Re-reading, that came off more snarky than I meant it to. I apologize.

If you talk to the manufacturers about new string materials, I'd be curious to hear what they have to say.
No worries I didn’t take it negatively and words don’t hurt anyway. I just have a modern bow so the old information was kind of out of date.
 
BCY Fibers is the most popular string material manufacturer. 8125 made with SK75 Dyneema, Mercury made with SK99 Dyneema, Dynaflight 97 made with SK75 Dyneema is the most popular choices for trad bows, Also, Dacron is an older material that is still being used for trad bows.

I recommend the newer Dyneema materials as it is soft enough for most modern recurves. 8125 and Dynaflight 97 both are made from SK75 dyneema but the difference is the diameter of the strand. 8125 is a smaller diameter strand than Dynaflight. Mercury is made from SK99 dyneema which is a higher grade of dyneema and is a smaller diameter strand than the other two materials.

It would be wise to check with your bow manufacturer and see what material they recommend. Some older trad bows require the softer Dacron material. Dyneema is considered soft enough and safe for most modern trad bows.
 
So nobody uses 452X or X99 on a 1 string bow? Is there something wrong with it, or is it just one of those “I’d rather use animal sinew” kind of things?
 
So nobody uses 452X or X99 on a 1 string bow? Is there something wrong with it, or is it just one of those “I’d rather use animal sinew” kind of things?

I don't know anything about 452X but, I know X99 is used on recurves. It mentions recurves several times in the description of that material on several sites.

What are you hoping to gain? There is very little difference in most of the Dyneema strings. Trad labs tested most of the string materials out there and found no discernable difference in any of the fast flight materials.
 
I don't know anything about 452X but, I know X99 is used on recurves. It mentions recurves several times in the description of that material on several sites.

What are you hoping to gain? There is very little difference in most of the Dyneema strings. Trad labs tested most of the string materials out there and found no discernable difference in any of the fast flight materials.
That's why D97 is still a staple.
 
So nobody uses 452X or X99 on a 1 string bow? Is there something wrong with it, or is it just one of those “I’d rather use animal sinew” kind of things?

452X and X99 are BLENDED materials. 452X is 67% dyneema (8125) and 33% vectran. X99 is 80% dyneema (mercury) and 20% vectran.

Vectran is a no stretch/creep hard stable material that isn't shock absorbing. It can't be used alone as a string material because it is too hard which can damage bow limbs. So, vectran is blended in low percentages with dyneema to add a little more stability to the string. Even though these 452X and X99 are safe to use on compound bow strings, these materials maybe a little too hard for use with trad bows. X99 has been used with some trad bows but to be safe, a non-blended material of dyneema (8125, mercury, dynaflight 97) is recommended.
 
I'm making my strings for 2 decades, since I shoot superstatic bows (timberghost g3ss and TGX) I use Brownell Rampage which is the thinnest fiber from brownell. I'm using 14strands with 6 additional dacron stands in the loops.
This is a very stiff fiber (no stretch) so very adapted to super statics.
 
I'm making my strings for 2 decades, since I shoot superstatic bows (timberghost g3ss and TGX) I use Brownell Rampage which is the thinnest fiber from brownell. I'm using 14strands with 6 additional dacron stands in the loops.
This is a very stiff fiber (no stretch) so very adapted to super statics.

I used Brownell fiber materials for many years. But Brownell stopped making bow string materials and someone else bought them out. I have been using BCY since then.

BCY and Brownell produced very similar products and I think the Rampage is very close to BCY Mercury. Both are dyneema and both recommend similar strand counts. Mercury 32-34 strand for compound and Rampage 28-34 strand for compound.
 
I don't know anything about 452X but, I know X99 is used on recurves. It mentions recurves several times in the description of that material on several sites.

What are you hoping to gain? There is very little difference in most of the Dyneema strings. Trad labs tested most of the string materials out there and found no discernable difference in any of the fast flight materials.
Thank you for the useful information.
I’m just trying find out the difference between what they are selling. When I go to the BCY site they love to tell you the recipe, but they won’t tell you how it tastes. I can read the descriptions from the manufacturer but I was wanting someone with experience to tell me what the actual difference is on the bow. Is A faster than B? Does Y last longer than Z. Is the super duper future stuff going to blow up my 2023 Chinese bow or do I need to learn Cantonese and call the manufacturer for a recommendation? Big Jim didn’t tell me when I bought it off his website if it’s fast flight compatible but it’s got honking big limb tips (looks reinforced to me) so I’m going to gamble. I ordered an X99 string from Mountain Muffler strings. If y’all hear a huge explosion and see a mushroom cloud down by the Gulf, you’ll know what happened.
 
Thank you for the useful information.
I’m just trying find out the difference between what they are selling. When I go to the BCY site they love to tell you the recipe, but they won’t tell you how it tastes. I can read the descriptions from the manufacturer but I was wanting someone with experience to tell me what the actual difference is on the bow. Is A faster than B? Does Y last longer than Z. Is the super duper future stuff going to blow up my 2023 Chinese bow or do I need to learn Cantonese and call the manufacturer for a recommendation? Big Jim didn’t tell me when I bought it off his website if it’s fast flight compatible but it’s got honking big limb tips (looks reinforced to me) so I’m going to gamble. I ordered an X99 string from Mountain Muffler strings. If y’all hear a huge explosion and see a mushroom cloud down by the Gulf, you’ll know what happened.

There are only a few modern string materials used today. There is a SK 75 dyneema and a SK99 dyneema. The difference is the purity. The older 8125 and Dynaflight 97 is made of the SK75 dyneema. These are excellent materials. But over the years, the quality and purity has improved to the SK99 version which is about as high quality and purity as it is going to get. Brownell's version of the 8125 was called D75 and D75 thin.

Back in the late 90's when 8125 came out as well as D75/D75 thin, the problem archers had with these materials was it would creep (permanent stretch) in high heat locations so they started blending these materials with a little vectran to make more heat stable strings. As for myself, I have built a boat load of string with 8125 and D75/D75 thin and never had any issues with creep. When BCY blended the 8125 with vectran, they called it 452x and Brownell did the same and called there blended version, Excel. I have built a lot of string out of Excel as well and it was a really good material.

Today, since the dyneema is now the SK99 version, the BCY blended version is called X99 and is 80% dyneema and 20% vectran and they still have the 452x. Brownell has a blended dyneema/vectan version, but I don't know what the ratio is.

Dyneema is light, has good stretch which gives it shock absorbing properties. (Stretch is where a material elongates but returns to its original length.)-(Creep is permanent stretch). Dyneema has a very long and predictable life cycle. Dyneema is quiet, durable and fast. I find dyneema to be stable and dependable.

Vectran is heavy, has no stretch. Makes for a hard shot. Vetran is porous and can absorb a lot of wax making it heavy and slow. Vectran is a shorter life material and its life cycle is unpredictable. But vectran is very stable and when blended with dyneema makes a very good stable and dependable string.

My favorite material today is BCY Mercury which is an unblended 100% SK99 dyneema small diameter material. It is easy to build with, settles quickly and is very stable. It is quick and quiet and has a long-life cycle. The small strand diameter allows for a really nice and round string that stacks together really well. By changing the number of strands by a couple of strands, the small diameter strand diameter is great for making a string that fits into the cam groove very nicely, depending on the diameter size of the end serving being used. Depending on the center serving diameter size, you can get a string that has a really good nock fit also.

For trad bows, I would tend to stay with a 100% unblended dyneema material like 8125, Dynaflight 97, Mercury. It would make for a soft shot that is easy on the limbs and limb tips. Brownell's Rampage is also a great choice.
 
I been running x99 mercury2 8125 and 452x in my bows either endless or Flemish and soon to try bloodline material… why cause I’m a string making whore I have made strings for 4 decades using every material out there because I like to try something different all the time. I got to tell you a 8125 endless is awesome as well as mercury2 in a Flemish from my findings
 
There is a lot of info per various platforms in strings and why this person likes X brand and the other guy likes A brand
You need to decide what do you want your string you chose to do and what criteria it needs to fill
Nock fit
Quietness
Durability
Speed
The feel of the string
And once you find this formula stick with it for that BOW and…..
I will say this not all bows like the same string material cause one bow might like X99 and hate 8125 and I say this thru my testing that X brand might be to loud and spongy while A brand might be super for that bow.
that’s the fun part of playing with strings all the time and also don’t let people tell you that Flemish is the only way to go and Endless are junk. Try for yourself and see70613842043__91A6A45C-0F6C-4200-9A9E-928E1B158217.jpeg70621794609__8D2EEE37-434C-49D6-8ED1-8B23DB5323DF.jpeg
 
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