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No Sticking Thread

@zolson - as I mentioned above, I like this idea and noodled it some previously but don't feel like I have the equipment to do it right. What I *think* needs to happen is that the button on the right side needs to be cut off and replaced with a wedge that the cam cleat mounts to in order to ensure that the rope attaches at the same angle as originally intended. I'm talking about the area circled in red below...

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Of course, once that button is cutoff, there's no going back!

As it is, the solo scout with the stock cam strap is a viable no-stick climbing method that I have used a number of times. With a cam cleat to make attachment faster and easier, it could possibly be even better - the 2 things I'm unsure about are:
1. To get the cam-over effect, you need the right tension - is it easier to adjust tension with the cam buckle or with the cam cleat where you have to remove the rope completely to reset? Warrants testing.

Oh, man, that would be cool! You chop yours down first :laughing:. The "once it's gone" thing will keep me from trying it I think, coupled with my no metal-working skills. One thing I wondered about as I was thinking of cam cleat placement is where I put my feet. I think if it was near the opposite post where you indicated, I might be more likely to kick or toe it? I spend some portion of my time with my instep on the posts normally. I'd kind of want the cam cleat to be well clear of my boots, if I could have it all.

I hear you about it functioning as a climbing platform without the cam cleat. I thought it worked fine with just a daisy chain, but the lure of the cam cleat is strong :)

2. I attach 2 slotted squirrel steps to my cam strap once I reach height - will those still work ok with the attachment rope instead of the strap?

Boy, I don't think so, at least how I set it with the rope angled up. So, that's another strike against the idea.
 
Oh, man, that would be cool! You chop yours down first :laughing:. The "once it's gone" thing will keep me from trying it I think, coupled with my no metal-working skills. One thing I wondered about as I was thinking of cam cleat placement is where I put my feet. I think if it was near the opposite post where you indicated, I might be more likely to kick or toe it? I spend some portion of my time with my instep on the posts normally. I'd kind of want the cam cleat to be well clear of my boots, if I could have it all.

I hear you about it functioning as a climbing platform without the cam cleat. I thought it worked fine with just a daisy chain, but the lure of the cam cleat is strong :)



Boy, I don't think so, at least how I set it with the rope angled up. So, that's another strike against the idea.

Ha! Yeah, I don’t want to chop mine! Hoping Matt or someone from OOAL will see this and try it for us!!!

I love the cam cleat on my mini-stick for 1-sticking but I’m not 100% sure it would help on a cam-over platform like the solo scout. Need a brave soul to try it.
 
Not enough room to mount the cam below the step.

Yeah. Thats where I wanted it to go originally, because I do think there's enough space. That would solve any safety concerns I think. But I assumed (did not try or test) that the angles involved would make the scout cant harder because the attachment points would get pretty asymmetrical. Might be something to try, though!
 
Yeah. Thats where I wanted it to go originally, because I do think there's enough space. That would solve any safety concerns I think. But I assumed (did not try or test) that the angles involved would make the scout cant harder because the attachment points would get pretty asymmetrical. Might be something to try, though!

If this design is something you really want to pursue, maybe reach out to Out On A Limb and see if they'd weld a RR plate to a scout platform.
 
Bumping this back to the top for later. I'm going to post updated pics of my Mission climbing platform.
 
So....if u were to deign, from scratch, an aider with climbing it's intended purpose what are u looking for?

I'm confused...isn't an aider intended purpose IS TO CLIMB? The design itself is just personal preferences? Myself I like the traditional alternatve side steps you see common with rock climbing aider/etrier, but majority of people here like the ladder design. Almost most like a more solid foot rest with some kind of material stuffed in the tube webbing, while I'm ok with one that are just re-enforced with another layer of webbing. But wire aiders are gaining fans too.

I think we're all trying to say that sometimes the best aiders are the one you made yourself or tailored to your spec, often you have to try a few dimensions to find the one that you like. I dont have it, but I think in this case the ultimate-aider is a good product.
 
Most aiders from what I can tell are designed to be used in conjunction with a stick/step or some other piece of equipment......im thinking building an aider with a standoff built in that is designed to be used all by itself...
 
Most aiders from what I can tell are designed to be used in conjunction with a stick/step or some other piece of equipment......im thinking building an aider with a standoff built in that is designed to be used all by itself...

Ahh got it. Is there a need for it? Isn't 2TC basically fill that need? I know DIY Sportman has a really old video of climbing with just aiders. I have done it a few times and not that hard. Its kind of a hybrid of 2TC and step+aider combo. You just remove the stick from the equation. I use a carabiner to connect the two end loops of a strap, connect the aider to it. Not the easier method, but works. It sucked, and I rather take the 4-6 lbs worth of sticks.

I'm curious about what you got in mine, is goal weight saving? Sean's Outdoor Adventure on Youtube where he kind of built something like you wanted to do. FYI, I dont recommend this because it just dont look that safe.

 
Weight isn't an issue....I actually like my aiders more robust... I like the idea of 1 aider and a platform....I've tried 2tc and not my favorite. My current climbing method works fine but there is always room for improvement.
 
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I killed a doe opening day with this setup. I'm really liking it. I'll probably make some more tweaks but for the most part it's set how I want it. I'll post more pics when I'm done hunting this morning.
 
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Most aiders from what I can tell are designed to be used in conjunction with a stick/step or some other piece of equipment......im thinking building an aider with a standoff built in that is designed to be used all by itself...
I tried something similar to that. Can’t wait to hear your results
 
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