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Not a fan...128 yrd shot w/ a compound

To just do a little math . . . Assume the bow shoots 300ft/sec (not likely but its a good round conservative number) and the shot is 128yds (384 ft). At best it will take more than 1.25 seconds for the arrow to get there. I know that sounds like a really short amount of time but . . . Try walking while limiting yourself to 1 stride (approx. 1 yd) per second. Count 1001 . . . 1002 . . . etc. Careful, don't fall down, its tough to keep your balance moving that slow.

That's a pace of 3 feet per second. In 1.25 seconds at even that extremely slow pace the deer would move almost 4 feet before the arrow got there. Even if you can Robin Hood arrows at that range that's to much potential target movement between release and strike of the arrow.

As an alternative look, consider a 30-06 traveling at 2700 ft/sec. The bullet will take about 0.15 seconds to get there. At the same target pace that's still better than 5 inches the target will move from the point of aim at the time of trigger pull until bullet strike. Interestingly enough that would be equivalent to a 15yd, 300ft/sec bow shot or a more realistic 12yd, 250ft/sec bow shot at the same moving target.

On an unrelated note, this is also a good case for stopping deer before shooting. That 5 inches may be the difference between sticking one right behind the shoulder where you were aiming and poking it right in the shoulder, even if your arrow went right where it was originally intended.
 
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Not only the questionable long shot, but waiting till the next morning, the meat is gone too at this point. Fully developed rigor mortis and a bloated belly... what a waste of meat, only for a “great shot” and a trophy. So sad....
 
MaxJac said:
Not only the questionable long shot, but waiting till the next morning, the meat is gone too at this point. Fully developed rigor mortis and a bloated belly... what a waste of meat, only for a “great shot” and a trophy. So sad....
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I have seen the same thing (leaving them over night) on several youtube hunting channels also, have never understood the logic behind wasting everything except the antlers....
 
Jmiller said:
Amazing shot IMO.
People on the internet love to bitch, moan and complain about everything. Bunch of snowflakes.
If y'all were interested in ethically harvesting deer you'd stick to higher percentage weaponry. Rifles.

We've all shot them with bows and lost them. Obviously we're willing to put up with that in the pursuit of fun, so to me it's pretty hypocritical to go bashing someone else for going about shooting a deer (successfully I might add) in a way you don't like.

But yeah, let's do the mob thing and bash this guy. Maybe with enough loud complaining he'll have to disappear from public life like that dentist who (legally) killed that lion, or issue some kind of pathetic apology. Then we can carry on all self righteous like til some other poor sap slips up.
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Welcome to the forum, pal! Sheesh... There’s a lot I disagree with about your post, but the biggest problem is you acting like a macho jerk, talking down to a bunch of good dudes who shared their opinions on a forum of (mostly) friends. It’s important to talk about ethics here and other places with new hunters so they don’t get the wrong impression about what’s cool and what’s not. You’re not furthering that discussion or convincing anyone to see things your way; all you’re doing is being rude and trying to ruffle feathers. I hope you (and many others) become a positive, contributing member of this fine community of hunters, but I’ll tell you, comments like that move you in the opposite direction.
 
TNbowhunter said:
Welcome to the forum, pal! Sheesh... There’s a lot I disagree with about your post, but the biggest problem is you acting like a macho jerk, talking down to a bunch of good dudes who shared their opinions on a forum of (mostly) friends. It’s important to talk about ethics here and other places with new hunters so they don’t get the wrong impression about what’s cool and what’s not. You’re not furthering that discussion or convincing anyone to see things your way; all you’re doing is being rude and trying to ruffle feathers. I hope you (and many others) become a positive, contributing member of this fine community of hunters, but I’ll tell you, comments like that move you in the opposite direction.
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Well said, I deleted my reply after reading yours.
 
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I think a lot of our opinions on this matter have to do with where we are from, what we hunt and how we were taught.

Example:
I live in the northeast and was raised in Maine. My uncle drew a bull moose tag. Decided he would shoot it with a bow. This uncle has lived in Colorado for the last 30 years and bow hunts exclusively in the west. He practices religiously out to 80 yards the week of the hunt as he normally does for elk, muleys or goats.

My other uncle has never left New England on a bow hunt. This uncle hunts whitetails in a lot of thick cover or normal New England underbrush. He Was losing his mind that he would even practice past 40yds. I watched the two almost come to blows over what was acceptable.

They were both right. The way they had learned to hunt and the areas they had become accustomed to is what guided their thinking and decision making. Experience in the woods is what guides or passion and influences our process.

In closing I don’t support bowmar for a myriad of reasons (hunting violations included). However for the guys here, who’s EXPERIENCE has TAUGHT them that shooting under 40 and over 40 are ethical. You are both right in my humble opinion.

FYI As a bow hunter who’s never left new England with a bow… I wouldn’t have taken the shot.


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I'm not going to watch it, i've sworn off bowmar videos. This is the type of thing that makes people complain about stuff like THP having a lot of videos where they share a lot of skills but don't kill a deer. It is completely irresponsible, for all the reasons you all have already mentioned, and completely done to make money off of the clicks/watches with no regard for ethics, the animal etc. Unfortunately in this day and age, the more extreme the better things seem to "perform" on youtube in terms of views/monetization. I'd much prefer to watch someone like sean's outdoor adventures, or catman, or THP, or many of the members on here that do share their kill videos, but also share so much more about skill building etc. before i click on any bowmar video again. To be honest, years ago before i actually started hunting i thought he was cool. Then i learned a lot more, and now am dissapointed in him (and my past self for watching). Now i just use him as another example of what NOT to do - i made a joke about only seeing deer "in bowmar range" last year because i was struggling to figure out how to get within 80 yards let alone 20-30. Still struggling somewhat, but no plans on replicating this folly. All that said, to each their own i suppose- my stance is if it's legal hunting, then my opinion doesn't matter, and the distance you shoot is similar to people that have a problem with shooting spikes, or fawns, or wild deer that people decorate with orange collars for that matter.
 
As one of the most newish member here, I must confess that a part of me was impress and for a second wish I had their skills or confident to do the same. Not based on Bowmar's example, but since Levi Morgan have done the same. Morgan replied once to the question how far he would shoot an animal was "As low as I can adjust the slider until my vanes hit the rest". Like he wasn't bragging, it was simply how confident he was at his skill. This is a guy that shoot quarters at 70 meters routinely so I absolutely believe that he can do it. By definition ethic is a personal belief, while moral is a group belief. So they are taking what their ethical beliefs range it at. As a group we think it is an immoral shot, that they should take the time to get closer and owe it to the animal to take a better shot.

My point is, you are not going to convince them (or other people) otherwise that it was an unethical shot because according to them, it is.

I do think it is wrong for him to attempt that, but the fact is he's trying to sell himself, his channel, etc. I think he normally hunt at 60 yards at most but he took the shot to attract viewer. I'm more disappointed in today's world that we have an economy that push people to go beyond what some aspect of their ethic is telling them its wrong but they don't listen to it due to desire to be famous.
 
That's Tim Wells in the Bull Elk video. He is an incredible shot with the bow and has been killing all sorts of critters with bows, spears and blowguns for many years. His instinctive bow shooting skills are off the charts. We are not worthy to judge him...:tonguewink::tearsofjoy:
 
Its like there was some camera trickery.....the penetration looks horrible with what looks like majority of the arrow hanging out....then look at the length of the broke fletched end and then it's showing the broadhead sticking out the exit side of the animal...maybe it's all legit but i cant be the only 1 who cringed when seeing the arrow impact and lack of penetration
 
This guy has great ability w/ a bow. IMO his ego is even greater. Also his bowhunting ability leaves a LOT to be desired. Get a rifle if you can't get close to em'.
 
my top pin is forty.ive never used the other 2 pins outside the range.i couldnt take that shot.but alot of guys miss short shots too.even with rifles.rifle hunters disagree about long range rifle hunting too.one man will tear up and pray when he sends an animal off. another will fist pump skreamin yea thats right deer you just got $#!* on....boom kill kill kill!ofcourse we all want a clean mercifull harvest..but opinions dont matter.when realing in a deep see fish its eyes pop out then you club it to death.some find it ethical and fun.others just get it done.they are trying to pass an animal cruelty law that makes it all against the law. even farming in oregon.so there are those peeps too..not condeming ,condoning,or converting.however theres no elk in my freezer.and he made it happen.so i dont know if im more ethical less confident or uncapable.but nice shot dude.i just like getting close.its kinda the point of archery to me.but maybe i will get desperate one day.
 
there's good money in being a legend to some people

now, with youtube and the ability to only show certain things, a really good shot that is willing to take really long shots can become a legend in the minds of some folks and build a career off of it

anyone that has shot and hunted for decades and successfully harvest many and lost a few, knows that no one can ethically hunt whitetail at 100 yards or more using a bow

it is too easy for the animal to move, or something else to happen, and the arrow misses the kill zone

these "legends" hunt all the time and have the cash and connections and time to go to game rich areas, if they are willing to shoot 100 yards, then they are going to get many opportunities to do that, they show the few each season that work and act like this is normal

i believe in good shots, but not super humans

it's about as believable as a random iowa high school kid that is faster than usain bolt, but only on his youtube channel where he controls everything

if someone pinwheels a walking animal at 100 yards, it is some skill but a lot of luck
 
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