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Oplux vs canyon

To be honest, it only happened to me that one time and I have not tried to repeat it (nor will I) but it the issue as I recall it wasn't that I couldn't grip the rope tight enough, it was that I couldn't really control the decent with one arm. As I said, for me in that instance it was more like the Safeguard was a just pulley once the cam was opened. With little/no additional friction in the device I was supporting my entire body weight on the rope with one arm. There wasn't a slow transition to my arm as the cam was opened or any noticable reduction in force. When I opened the lever far enough to feed rope, I was suddenly trying to support my full body weight with my semi extended right arm. This is not how the device operates typically. Under normal circumstances the friction in the device limits the amount of force you need in your arm (and hand) to slow/stop your descent.

Luckily when the lever was released the device grabbed the rope again so it ended up being a series of sudden drops and short stops. I got to the ground OK, just not comfortably.
Understood - mostly want to share in case others get in a similar situation. In general the techniques that I mention work OK - even to the point of being able to support my whole weight comfortably with the brake strand while remaining in control, if necessary. If nothing else they're worth anyone keeping in their back pocket, especially if using equipment at or beyond the limit of their spec...

I also see soo many people not really appreciating the usefulness and importance of the brake hand, and just thinking of the safeguard as "pull to descend" which I find to be concerningly dangerous.

I use my safeguard on a fairly long bridge. This lets me position my brake arm to more easily control a heavy load. I'll load the brake strand (generally with 1 arm wrap plus grip, or possibly a solid wrap around my hand if I plan to let rope out one arm at a time) with all of my weight before descending, to make sure that have the appropriate grip and friction to do so comfortably if needed. I predominantly control the descent on the brake side rather than trying to modulate the handle, and might even fully open the handle. This really limits the chance for a low-friction event (like a wet rope) to catch me by surprise, or for me to screw up if I'm cold, spiking adrenaline, whatever. Before I even touch the lever I already know I can comfortably control the maximum possible force.
 

Maybe this is a solution to wet ropes. Dry treat them yourself.
 
I’m using canyon c-Iv for my srt and rappelling setup with the safeguard I can fit my rope which I think is 50-60 ft in a DanO pouch with the safeguard with not much room to spare. It’s a pretty stiff rope which I like using but the end of season I started hunting around a lot of water and got the rope wet and just this one time rappelling while the rope was wet I had trouble rappelling. It wasn’t slipping it actually wasn’t letting go now it was cold that night and I was rushing so it could’ve been operator error too but that was the only trouble I had out of this rope with safeguard.
I agree.... Wet rope bites harder than dry. I repel with a super munter hitch and if the rope is wet I just use a munter.
 
When it's cold enough for me to loose strength/feeling in my hands, I do as @mattsteg said and wrap the rope around my brake hand. It's amazing the control you have using that method. The disadvantages are the stop-and-go descent, and the worry that you might get the skin of your brake hand sucked into the Safeguard.
 
When it's cold enough for me to loose strength/feeling in my hands, I do as @mattsteg said and wrap the rope around my brake hand. It's amazing the control you have using that method. The disadvantages are the stop-and-go descent, and the worry that you might get the skin of your brake hand sucked into the Safeguard.
Just wear gloves
 
I ordered some of the elite today. I do have c-iv as well. It’ll be interesting to see how they compare.
Got my Elite today. I think it is almost what I wanted C-IV to be. Definitely going to pack down smaller, but it feels heavier. It may just be the way it drapes across your hand tho. I need to get it on a scale to be sure, but if it is heavier it’s not by much. However- it does appear to be thicker, almost, dare I say, 10mm.

C-IV
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Elite
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I used Canyon CIV all season simply because Oplux was out of spec on the safeguard and didn’t want to have a problem. Bought 40’ of Oplux a couple weeks ago to try... doesn’t seem to perform any different in the Safeguard to me but is softer and packs down better. I am leaning towards Oplux.
 
I used Canyon CIV all season simply because Oplux was out of spec on the safeguard and didn’t want to have a problem. Bought 40’ of Oplux a couple weeks ago to try... doesn’t seem to perform any different in the Safeguard to me but is softer and packs down better. I am leaning towards Oplux.
8mm Resc Tech gives me no problems with a Safeguard. Really soft and supple rope.
 
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