I tried a whoopie since it is easier to make and I already had one. The big loop has to go over the buckle or toggle. Not as easy to tighten and not as compact.
I like the USA attachment much better.
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I like the USA attachment much better.
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I wouldn't use these ratios on a tether. But steps are not life support (or shouldn't be....you should climb so that if a stick or step goes then you don't fall) and the angle and being against the tree means that the hitch isn't seeing as much force as a straight hang. This is more of a "good enough for what it is and in a light/small package" type of deal, and friction hitches on slick/easily melted amsteel are less than ideal from the jump. The hitch you use has many wraps that grab in the force direction and it holds fine.
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I use Sea to Summit mesh sacks. They are ultralight weight, durable, and water drains through them.
Heck yeah! These things are much better than my old Cranfords. I can even reuse the pouches I had before, and fit 6 in each. I went with the DIY amsteel kit and arrow toggles. They were a pain to make, but I think I'll like them better than straps. It appears that I may be able to use these with an aider. If so, I can just use 5 or 6 to get up a tree. I'll test the aider out this weekend. If you could be comfortable enough to use these with aiders, I don't see how sticks could compare. You'd be half way up a tree before you unpacked your sticks, and then completely packed up when you get back down.
I don't know if I just need extra practice or what, but I didn't care for climbing with the aider on the steps. But, no matter, I really like them just like they are. So much lighter than my Cranfords. I can carry 12 of them right on the top panel of my saddle. They are fast and quiet. I need to get the hitches stretched good. These will be my new go to mobile method.
I am with you on them being WAY better than Cranford's. If they had come out 20 or 30 years ago, I would have saved a lot of money messing with different sticks.
I had been thinking about trying a 36" aider but havent messed with it yet and may not since his early report doesnt seem all that favorable.
I tried it, but didn't like it. I used one with the Crandfords, and it was ok on most trees. But, the aider didn't go all the way to the trunk with these, so it put too much pressure out away from the tree. I thought I could get away using half as many steps, but don't really see the need now that I've climbed with them a few times.
You may have better luck. But, I tried it a couple of times and didn't care for the aider on these. But, putting one of these Origin steps on the tree is so fast, I don't really see the need. I really like these. You can be really sneaky up the tree with these things.
What is thar Alps outdoor thing?
Does your saddle have a 1" or 2" waist belt?
They're accessory call pockets I had used on my Pathfinder pack. They're 5" across. The top panel of my Buzzard Roost is 4". That's the model before the Reloaded one which has an even wider top panel. The waist belt is sewed onto the top panel. It's 1", but I think being attached to the top panel like that, it helps distribute the weight. I don't know if it would make it any better having a shoulder harness attached. I'll have to wear it awhile. It didn't bother me any in practicing. I like the pouches running along side the top panel like that though.
Secure your Gear with ALPS Accessory Call Pockets / Game Bag
Keep your calls in front and ready with the accessory call pockets. Accommodates 2 friction call/small bino pockets, 3 striker holders, 2 diaphragm call pockets, 2 locator call holders, and 1 box call holder. These call pockets are compatible with ALPS Li
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Glad you're enjoying them.
Here's a little hack that I use for mine. I tie a loop of shock cord through the slot where the amsteel slides through the step. The length of that loop is just right so that I can spool up the attachment cord around my hand (a figure 8 is even better, but a spool is good too) and then put that attachment cord under the step but over the shock cord and then the shock cord loop goes over that and onto the step cleats.
It holds them rock solid on the steps and when you take a step out, you undo the shock cord and the attachment cord falls in your hand as one piece and then you just go around the tree with it. Much easier and faster than wrapping around the step and I like it better than the way that Bullman shows on their videos. The shock cord loops add almost no weight.
See post 54 & 55.They're accessory call pockets I had used on my Pathfinder pack. They're 5" across. The top panel of my Buzzard Roost is 4". That's the model before the Reloaded one which has an even wider top panel. The waist belt is sewed onto the top panel. It's 1", but I think being attached to the top panel like that, it helps distribute the weight. I don't know if it would make it any better having a shoulder harness attached. I'll have to wear it awhile. It didn't bother me any in practicing. I like the pouches running along side the top panel like that though.
Secure your Gear with ALPS Accessory Call Pockets / Game Bag
Keep your calls in front and ready with the accessory call pockets. Accommodates 2 friction call/small bino pockets, 3 striker holders, 2 diaphragm call pockets, 2 locator call holders, and 1 box call holder. These call pockets are compatible with ALPS Li
Bullman Steps
Makes sense. I have always been a little annoyed with the 17” step distance almost every stick seems to be in the last couple years. I am way comfortable with that distance and really would be fine with probably 20-22” or so. You must be pretty tall to be able to stretch 33” between steps...
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