Patent Research - Tethrd

[bj139]

The internet should make it easier to search for existing "prior art" even if it is simply in common use by many people and not commercially produced. In the olden days it would have been more difficult. It seems today they issue patents for anything submitted and rely on the courts to decide later. They may be overworked and can not do an exhaustive search. The courts will decide eventually anyway. The picture I posted of the Lone Wolf stand has pretty much all the design features of the Predator platform only bigger. If they are patenting smallness then maybe that is novel. I read before you can DIY and use any patent for yourself and not for sale and not violate any patents but I am not sure if this is true.

 

[iamcorey]

It seems today they issue patents for anything submitted and rely on the courts to decide later. They may be overworked and can not do an exhaustive search. The courts will decide eventually anyway.

This is why I would be more inclined to ignore any cease and desist letter.

 

[bj139]

The internet should make it easier to search for existing "prior art" even if it is simply in common use by many people and not commercially produced. In the olden days it would have been more difficult. It seems today they issue patents for anything submitted and rely on the courts to decide later. They may be overworked and can not do an exhaustive search. The courts will decide eventually anyway. The picture I posted of the Lone Wolf stand has pretty much all the design features of the Predator platform only bigger. If they are patenting smallness then maybe that is novel. I read before you can DIY and use any patent for yourself and not for sale and not violate any patents but I am not sure if this is true.

I just looked up an article and found you cannot make something DIY without violating a patent. The monetary damage on one unit would be so low as to preclude any lawsuit. Lawyers make more per minute than the damages on one unit.

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[Fl Canopy Stalker]

The internet should make it easier to search for existing "prior art" even if it is simply in common use by many people and not commercially produced. In the olden days it would have been more difficult. It seems today they issue patents for anything submitted and rely on the courts to decide later. They may be overworked and can not do an exhaustive search. The courts will decide eventually anyway. The picture I posted of the Lone Wolf stand has pretty much all the design features of the Predator platform only bigger. If they are patenting smallness then maybe that is novel. I read before you can DIY and use any patent for yourself and not for sale and not violate any patents but I am not sure if this is true.

Or the post where the guy all but created the now patent pending circular carbon tube that is “chemically welded” to metal steps. And again I know a man who got a patent for a leather dying process... call me crazy but people have been dying leather for centuries...... Which by the way epoxy or “chemical welding” is very strong but metals do something fascinating when they get hot or cold, they expand and shrink. It is why you have platforms creeping in the frozen weather (If you have a rusted nut that you can’t break loose hit it with a heat torch for a few minutes, it’ll heat and expand, once it cools your bound nut breaks loose easily)! Typical epoxies do not flex well with those materials and you end up with parts breaking loose. But what do I know because I’m not an engineer?

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

This is why I would be more inclined to ignore any cease and desist letter.

They say not to ignore, respond within dead line and wait for your day in court. Lawyers are expensive but in a lot of states they now make the losing party pay for all the legal expenses. So if it were me I would fight it tooth and nail, then they would either leave you alone, settle for a small fee or if you are confident and able fight it in court. When you win, they lose out badly. I would personally then file a civil suit for sufferage against the US patent office for lack of due diligence regarding the matter. If more people did that, you can bet those ridiculous patent laws would quickly change. - that is the thing that Europe did right with their trademark and patent laws.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

I just looked up an article and found you cannot make something DIY without violating a patent. The monetary damage on one unit would be so low as to preclude any lawsuit. Lawyers make more per minute than the damages on one unit.

Reading: Patents | Business Law

courses.lumenlearning.com

I just looked up an article and found you cannot make something DIY without violating a patent. The monetary damage on one unit would be so low as to preclude any lawsuit. Lawyers make more per minute than the damages on one unit.

Reading: Patents | Business Law

courses.lumenlearning.com

I do not think he was referring to DIY, I think he is saying if he was one of the small companies that the other company is going after. If you are not selling a product, then you are not causing any financial distress to the patent holder anyway. He is saying he would ignore them because the whole process is ignorant, and designed to make it hard for the little guy and eliminate the actual principles on which true capitalism was founded. Again competition drives quality up and prices down. I could give examples of large companies that have ruined consumer markets with these same practices of running off competition. But I do not want to call out anyone or say anything derogatory. I just do not see how any of these practices spread the love of saddle hunting or help to ambassador innovative products and advancements. I mean if Aerohunter had done the same thing with the Kestrel or Kestrel flex, you wouldn’t have the Cruzr Xc, the H2 slingshot or the menace saddle for that matter. Companies typically piggy back off of each other to further the market. It is how you find what works and what does not. Anyway my whole rant is over. Happy off season to everyone

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

The internet should make it easier to search for existing "prior art" even if it is simply in common use by many people and not commercially produced. In the olden days it would have been more difficult. It seems today they issue patents for anything submitted and rely on the courts to decide later. They may be overworked and can not do an exhaustive search. The courts will decide eventually anyway. The picture I posted of the Lone Wolf stand has pretty much all the design features of the Predator platform only bigger. If they are patenting smallness then maybe that is novel. I read before you can DIY and use any patent for yourself and not for sale and not violate any patents but I am not sure if this is true.

USD920159S1 - Strap buckle - Google Patents

Someone liked this thread today and it made me think of this. Remember where someone said the patent office does due diligence in their searches? Check this out! None of the buckles or hooks in the citations looked anything like the sea 2 summit or the metolius crash pad buckle, even though they are virtually the same except the crash pad buckle has a tiny bit more curve on the slide bar. Definitely not different enough that it couldn’t be “construed” as ornamentally a similar design. I don’t think Metolius patented this buckle even though they’ve made it for years

 

[gcr0003]

Well this is has been a thoroughly interesting thread to read through. I am usually on the "what's new" page so I often miss the new posts in the vendor section. I thought @BassBoysLLP responded professionally. Props to him for even responding despite all the attacks. It's no wonder few if any of the Tethrd guys post on here anymore. Some of y'all are brutal. I don't have any emotional attachment to the whole patent thing, it is interesting as @jhunter13 commented previously. @enkriss I didn't enjoy the second patent you posted as much. It didn't have any pretty drawings like the other tethrd patents did.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Well this is has been a thoroughly interesting thread to read through. I am usually on the "what's new" page so I often miss the new posts in the vendor section. I thought @BassBoysLLP responded professionally. Props to him for even responding despite all the attacks. It's no wonder few if any of the Tethrd guys post on here anymore. Some of y'all are brutal. I don't have any emotional attachment to the whole patent thing, it is interesting as @jhunter13 commented previously. @enkriss I didn't enjoy the second patent you posted as much. It didn't have any pretty drawings like the other tethrd patents did.

He definitely responded professionally. I will never deny that he was very professional with any answers he gave.