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Pull down rope on JRB cinch question

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So been 2tc + rappel this session.
Love it, but am kinda struggling to pull the rappel rope down after I am on the ground.

I mostly climb pine with a rough bark so rope catches on to it + there are small branches that rope usually catches on to...

My setup is
40ft canyon c-iv
large 2" ring (wrapped in camo tape to silence) + carabineer ( unwrapped after to reduce the friction) - attached to main line with umbilical cord (amsteel)

+ JRB cinch in this video:

I find it that that angle of the retrieve rope (Doyle hoist clipped into the carabineer) when standing after a tree is simply too vertical, so I have to walk away from tree like 5m to create a angle that pulls side ways.

Even when loosened, the rope does NOT drop, so it becomes a 15 min struggle to get that rope down... All and all - more energy is spent and noise made to pull down the rappel rope then to climb 30 ft up :)


Played with umbilical cord length, found too short is not good, need to make it at least 30in
Initially had both carabineer and ring wrapped, but found that it creates too much friction, so had to in wrap the carabineer.



Does anyone else run into this ?
Any tips/hacks/know how's that I am missing?

Thanks




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not sure about all that but I just tie an anchor hitch in the climbing line behind the ring with 700 or 800 lb paracord. No mater what I can pull the climbing line down. Even if it gets snagged up a bit in the bark or rough crotch, eventually the tag end of the line passes through the ring and everything comes down.

I do 50' of climbing line and 50' of paracord. I haul my backpack with the tag end of the climbing line and my weapon with the paracord.
 
You might be right about the 800lb Paracord.

It's a thicker rope which makes it easier to pull them Doyle hoist line



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I just put a strip of hockey tape on the outside edge of the biner where it contacts the rappel ring but leave the internal surface clean and this has helped. No tape on ring. It still doesn't drop as easily as the quick link attachment method but believe it's because the rappel ring is so much lighter. Heavier paracord also helpful as dynaglide is tough on hands/arms to pull down against resistance.
In instruction video John wraps biner w/ tubular webbing for dampening which is likely also much smoother than tape but I have not been able to find it for sale anywhere.
 
Yeah I was looking for that tubular webbing too.
Tried to make out of cotton short sleeve- it lasted for 2 climbs before being shredded to pieces

Am going to try to revert the taping -
Climbing ring un-taped
Beener - half taped

Thank you the tip

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gettingstarted said:
So been 2tc + rappel this session.
Love it, but am kinda struggling to pull the rappel rope down after I am on the ground.

I mostly climb pine with a rough bark so rope catches on to it + there are small branches that rope usually catches on to...

My setup is
40ft canyon c-iv
large 2" ring (wrapped in camo tape to silence) + carabineer ( unwrapped after to reduce the friction) - attached to main line with umbilical cord (amsteel)

+ JRB cinch in this video:

I find it that that angle of the retrieve rope (Doyle hoist clipped into the carabineer) when standing after a tree is simply too vertical, so I have to walk away from tree like 5m to create a angle that pulls side ways.

Even when loosened, the rope does NOT drop, so it becomes a 15 min struggle to get that rope down... All and all - more energy is spent and noise made to pull down the rappel rope then to climb 30 ft up :)


Played with umbilical cord length, found too short is not good, need to make it at least 30in
Initially had both carabineer and ring wrapped, but found that it creates too much friction, so had to in wrap the carabineer.



Does anyone else run into this ?
Any tips/hacks/know how's that I am missing?

Thanks




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I had the same issue last summer while practicing so I quickly abandoned the cinch. Switched to the running JRB hitch which I find easy to tie and is a quick release hitch. Rope pops right off the tree now. So much better than fighting to pull cinch down as you noted.

Some are intimated by the idea of hanging from a quick release hitch, but it doesn't bother me. When locked (climbing/hunting) it cannot release, and when unlocked (for rappel) I don't see how it is possible for it to release until it is unweighted.

Food for thought.

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TNSTAAFL said:
I had the same issue last summer while practicing so I quickly abandoned the cinch. Switched to the running JRB hitch which I find easy to tie and is a quick release hitch. Rope pops right off the tree now. So much better than fighting to pull cinch down as you noted.

Some are intimated by the idea of hanging from a quick release hitch, but it doesn't bother me. When locked (climbing/hunting) it cannot release, and when unlocked (for rappel) I don't see how it is possible for it to release until it is unweighted.

Food for thought.

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Thought of playing with this as well but seemed like too much trouble when going around limbs. I suppose w/ practice you could tie it quickly. Is it easy to move up the tree when climbing?
 
Praddle said:
Thought of playing with this as well but seemed like too much trouble when going around limbs. I suppose w/ practice you could tie it quickly. Is it easy to move up the tree when climbing?
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Yes it is easy to climb with, just pull a little slack, move it up and re-set. Dont have to worry about it falling down the tree or having to mess with tension keepers like when using a quick link. It is really not a big deal to go around limbs either. Tie that hitch 10 times and you will be plenty quick with it.
 
gettingstarted said:
So been 2tc + rappel this session.
Love it, but am kinda struggling to pull the rappel rope down after I am on the ground.

I mostly climb pine with a rough bark so rope catches on to it + there are small branches that rope usually catches on to...

My setup is
40ft canyon c-iv
large 2" ring (wrapped in camo tape to silence) + carabineer ( unwrapped after to reduce the friction) - attached to main line with umbilical cord (amsteel)

+ JRB cinch in this video:

I find it that that angle of the retrieve rope (Doyle hoist clipped into the carabineer) when standing after a tree is simply too vertical, so I have to walk away from tree like 5m to create a angle that pulls side ways.

Even when loosened, the rope does NOT drop, so it becomes a 15 min struggle to get that rope down... All and all - more energy is spent and noise made to pull down the rappel rope then to climb 30 ft up :)


Played with umbilical cord length, found too short is not good, need to make it at least 30in
Initially had both carabineer and ring wrapped, but found that it creates too much friction, so had to in wrap the carabineer.



Does anyone else run into this ?
Any tips/hacks/know how's that I am missing?

Thanks




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No, you need the JRB hitch for a much easier remote release!
 
Am I understanding correctly that one will need double the length of rope to use JTB sinch to remote release?

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Yep, if you use a long enough rope for JRB or just rappel as yr tether for 2TC, then you can do all 3 on a dime!
 
gettingstarted said:
So been 2tc + rappel this session.
Love it, but am kinda struggling to pull the rappel rope down after I am on the ground.

I mostly climb pine with a rough bark so rope catches on to it + there are small branches that rope usually catches on to...

My setup is
40ft canyon c-iv
large 2" ring (wrapped in camo tape to silence) + carabineer ( unwrapped after to reduce the friction) - attached to main line with umbilical cord (amsteel)

+ JRB cinch in this video:

I find it that that angle of the retrieve rope (Doyle hoist clipped into the carabineer) when standing after a tree is simply too vertical, so I have to walk away from tree like 5m to create a angle that pulls side ways.

Even when loosened, the rope does NOT drop, so it becomes a 15 min struggle to get that rope down... All and all - more energy is spent and noise made to pull down the rappel rope then to climb 30 ft up :)


Played with umbilical cord length, found too short is not good, need to make it at least 30in
Initially had both carabineer and ring wrapped, but found that it creates too much friction, so had to in wrap the carabineer.



Does anyone else run into this ?
Any tips/hacks/know how's that I am missing?

Thanks




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I am cruising the threads and found this one. It's a good question. I will try to do a demonstration of it soon. But the bottom line is that when ya retrieve the cinch, tie a carabiner to the end of your retrieval line and walk away from the tree, pulling away, not down. In the demonstration video, i am so low that ya can't appreciate the angle i was pulling from. Let me know if that works for ya. -jrb

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gettingstarted said:
So been 2tc + rappel this session.
Love it, but am kinda struggling to pull the rappel rope down after I am on the ground.

I mostly climb pine with a rough bark so rope catches on to it + there are small branches that rope usually catches on to...

My setup is
40ft canyon c-iv
large 2" ring (wrapped in camo tape to silence) + carabineer ( unwrapped after to reduce the friction) - attached to main line with umbilical cord (amsteel)

+ JRB cinch in this video:

I find it that that angle of the retrieve rope (Doyle hoist clipped into the carabineer) when standing after a tree is simply too vertical, so I have to walk away from tree like 5m to create a angle that pulls side ways.

Even when loosened, the rope does NOT drop, so it becomes a 15 min struggle to get that rope down... All and all - more energy is spent and noise made to pull down the rappel rope then to climb 30 ft up :)


Played with umbilical cord length, found too short is not good, need to make it at least 30in
Initially had both carabineer and ring wrapped, but found that it creates too much friction, so had to in wrap the carabineer.



Does anyone else run into this ?
Any tips/hacks/know how's that I am missing?

Thanks




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I made a video for ya this weekend. Honestly, it's definitely a question I got before and so when I get the same question multiple times, I want to address it. It's a detail I should have included in the introductory video.

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John RB said:
I made a video for ya this weekend. Honestly, it's definitely a question I got before and so when I get the same question multiple times, I want to address it. It's a detail I should have included in the introductory video.

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Awesome thanks
 
John made a good point regarding the diameter of the pull down rope.
I fiddled around with smaller diameter lines, (para cord, zingit, 2mm accessory).
Finally ended up with 4 mm line, much easier to pull on and if needed, just grab a stick and wrap the line around the stick for a handle.
 
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