Quick Link Stopper Knot

[raisins]

Do you do anything like overhanding a long tag end or similar as reinforcement? More knot more better, or just trust the scaffold to do its job?

Just a scaffold, I run a long tag end (3 or 4 inches) but tying that tag back in sounds good to me too.

 

[zurr4013]

What rope is that for the knot? What size?

does it burn into a nice ball when cut?

I did the same knot. My main line is 9mm Canyon and my knot if the thicker 1100 paracord. It melted nicely and seems to stay together well.

I use a backup tether as well. I move the knot to the other side of the quick link before decent or I’m not getting around limbs.

 

[DeerLaughAtMe]

I use a scaffold knot which is just a poachers with an extra loop. I also put a stopper knot on the tag end.


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[ericabbott]

Do you do anything like overhanding a long tag end or similar as reinforcement? More knot more better, or just trust the scaffold to do its job?

A poachers knot has two turns, scaffold has three. I’m using a scaffold on my tri link with a stopper knot on the tag end. That tag end looks really short to me.

 

[SnakeEater]

I’ve been using a large gear tie piece I cut to about 4”. You can see it at the top of the pic but it doesn’t slide or move and is easy to tighten or loosen and completely take off if you want.

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[mattsteg]

Keep an eye on that poacher's knot. It is continually trying to pull itself over that oval screw link and untie itself. I had a similar screw link, but went to a triangle for this reason.

Do you happen to have any reference of that happening, advisory, pull-test, etc? It'd be really useful to have if so.

 

[raisins]

Do you happen to have any reference of that happening, advisory, pull-test, etc? It'd be really useful to have if so.

Nope. Just observation. I might be able to dig something up though.

Here's the observation:

put a piece of paracord or webbing inside the scaffold knot, and it should be obvious that the knot can pull that material inside itself and untie itself.

So we've established a boundary condition. How wide and rigid does something need to be so that this can't happen? I don't know, but I know what definitely won't work (webbing, etc) and what will (chunk delta screw link or full sized carabiner) work.

I, personally, would not trust a narrow screw link to do the job here. I just want folks to be aware of this process in general with the knot.

Without considering it, someone might tie a scaffold onto another rope, a narrow thing, etc. and get a surprise (thinking all loop knots are created equal).

 

[mattsteg]

Nope. Just observation. I might be able to dig something up though.

Here's the observation:

put a piece of paracord or webbing inside the scaffold knot, and it should be obvious that the knot can pull that material inside itself and untie itself.

So we've established a boundary condition. How wide and rigid does something need to be so that this can't happen? I don't know, but I know what definitely won't work (webbing, etc) and what will (chunk delta screw link or full sized carabiner) work.

I, personally, would not trust a narrow screw link to do the job here. I just want folks to be aware of this process in general with the knot.

Without considering it, someone might tie a scaffold onto another rope, a narrow thing, etc. and get a surprise (thinking all loop knots are created equal).

Yeah - I understand the limiting case, but curious if there was some more formal guidance. Among my goodies I do have a stash of tiny climb-rated quicklinks that I've got some ideas for.

I wonder if an anchor hitch or buntline hitch would be more secure and appropriate?

 

[raisins]

Yeah - I understand the limiting case, but curious if there was some more formal guidance. Among my goodies I do have a stash of tiny climb-rated quicklinks that I've got some ideas for.

I wonder if an anchor hitch or buntline hitch would be more secure and appropriate?

I think it would have to do with rope diameter compared to quick link width and maybe even quick link shape.

Got a winch to try it out with?

 

[Razorbak66]

I use this knot religiously but in one rope I have been using 18” continuous loop of amsteel and trying a prussic or swabisch and using the extra length as a handhold and a extra connection point on my Kong duck bridge set up once locked down doesn’t move and when I’m ready to rappel I switch to my safe guard and undo the prussic because I have several times forgotten to move the knot until I’m down on the ground. Not fun going back up LOL

 

[FrankNess14]

@always89y, What about when you have to go over a limb? How do you retrieve rappel line if stopper knot is only 2-3’ down?

 

[always89y]

@always89y, What about when you have to go over a limb? How do you retrieve rappel line if stopper knot is only 2-3’ down?

When I remeber to, I pull it all the way down with me. If not, you can pull the rope to slide the stopper. Its tight enough to hold in place, but loose enough to overcome.

If all else fails, you can "whip" the rope and the trilink will pass over the knot. I've tried them all because I forget...a lot.

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[Chandler96]

@always89y, What about when you have to go over a limb? How do you retrieve rappel line if stopper knot is only 2-3’ down?

Before your decent you could always push the stopper knot through the quick link as well