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Quiver on quiver off??
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Not trad, but off for me, I just objectively shoot better with it off.
It cost me a buck once I could have had a follow-up shot on had I not had to do the reach-around for my next arrow. But I'm ok with that. Life has a lot of tradeoffs.
IIRC, Infalt or one of the people in his circle was marketing something that held an extra arrow easily accessible. I intended to look into it as a best of both worlds solution, but I kinda forgot about it.
It cost me a buck once I could have had a follow-up shot on had I not had to do the reach-around for my next arrow. But I'm ok with that. Life has a lot of tradeoffs.
IIRC, Infalt or one of the people in his circle was marketing something that held an extra arrow easily accessible. I intended to look into it as a best of both worlds solution, but I kinda forgot about it.
Best I got. Nothing special, just a strap similar to this https://www.hmeproducts.com/accessory-hook-belt-blister/ and let it hang against the quiver.
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I use a piece of doubled rubber coated wire wrapped on the tether I hang my pack on. Couple wraps and bend to a U shaped hook. Holds my longbow just fine.
A bow quiver is absolutely handy and I cannot tell a difference on or off shooting but I really like my G. Fred Asbell side quiver. It's always loaded and ready whichever bow I grab. Can be worn up tight under the arm pit for stalking, Doesn't flap around.
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Spare-arrow or Sparrow or some such...it was his younger sidekick
The_Fit_Ness_Monster
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Trad= always on
Compound= off immediately upon set up lol
Compound= off immediately upon set up lol
Good way of doing it. I use similar with coated ground wire. Bend to fit the situation at minimum cost.
Skunkworkx
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I take mine off since I have white vanes, and just think the size makes it more visible.
My recommendation:
Practice how you play.
I shoot trad bows with 6-arrow quivers. All of 'em have the quiver on, & it contains 5 arrows. I don't ever take the quiver off when hunting.
Practice how you play.
I shoot trad bows with 6-arrow quivers. All of 'em have the quiver on, & it contains 5 arrows. I don't ever take the quiver off when hunting.
Well I shot the stick today with and without the G Fred 3 arrow quiver as you suggested. I actually shot a bit better with the quiver on. Sooooo for now I’m leaving it on. I think I’ll take the quiver off when I use the heavy artillery (compound) in the tree.If you've tuned your bow/arrows with no quiver on, go out and take 3 shots without a quiver. Then go retrieve those same 3 arrows, strap on your quiver, install the amount of arrows you'll be taking into the woods minus 1, and fling those same 3 arrows again. You'll either see a difference or you won't
If you've tuned your setup with a quiver on, follow the logic in the opposite direction.
Thanks for the advice O Bearded Wonder!
Give credit... I'm just parroting what @Allegheny Tom and others have said before.
It was Dan's sidekick Joe Rentmeester and it was called the Sparrow (spare arrow, get it?) I believe it screwed into the tree though so not public land legal. Not that anyone is gonna climb into the tree to check it lol. I like Joe's videos. Great hunter,very determined and passionate about big bucks.
There are 2 sides to this coin. One side questions if it's better for shooting with the quiver on or off. I don't think it really matters as long as you tune the arrows in the fashion in which you will shoot in hunting situations and then stick with having it on or off at all times. You'll get used to whichever you choose, but you shouldn't expect that you'll shoot the same when the quiver is not how you've tuned and practiced.
The other side of the coin is where I'm focusing my position on the subject.
What is the most the most practical way for hunting? I'm 100% firm on leaving it on for a few reasons.
1st...this applies to all types of "stand" hunting but I believe it especially applies to saddle hunting. Think about it, one of the prime sales pitches for saddles is that it allows us to reposition ourselves in the tree. For those who remove the quiver, you just might find ourselves 180 degrees opposite of where your quiver is hanging at the time you may need to reach for another arrow (for whatever the reason), and you may need to do so in the presence of deer, possibly in the presence of the best buck you've ever laid eyes on.
And what happens to that hanging quiver of arrows when we need to rotate around the tree and your tether will be wrapping right over that quiver?
Also, there are times when tree structure or cover makes it difficult to just find one suitable place to hang the bow, let alone a pack AND a quiver.
What about the extra movement and possible noise of taking the quiver on and off?
Yet another... What do you do if you are blood trailing, or just walking to the stand and a shot presents itself? Are you gonna take the quiver off to shoot because that's how you are used to shooting that bow?
Finally, when I leave the quiver on, there's no chance that I'm gonna leave it in the vehicle, or in the tree, or have it fall 20 feet to the ground.
Put the thing on, load it up with the number of arrows in which you will hunt with on the initial shot, tune it the way, get used to how it feels, and leave the darn thing on.
All my trad bows are quiver on. I practice that way too.
Edit: my compounds' quivers come off and hang on my equipment strap in the tree.
Edit: my compounds' quivers come off and hang on my equipment strap in the tree.
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NOT! #1 I don't think any of us are good enough shots to notice a discernible difference in quiver on and quiver off and even if you are I don't think the difference is even enough to worry about. #2 I've been bowhunting for 45 years and only had to use a second arrow like 2 times so I think there is a lot bigger issues to worry about. #3 I always find a convenient place to hang my quiver so that it is easily accessible and out of the way of me maneuvering and my tether. I prefer a nearby tree within reach. #4 My Mathews quick lok quiver comes off and goes back on very quietly. #5 Like I said before, I don't notice any or enough difference with the quiver on or off so if I see a deer going into my spot or coming out I still believe I'd be able to make a killing shot. That by the way has only happened once to me in 45 years so no big deal. I do shoot a compound so this may be way different for you stick bow guys. IDK
This is the trad section so I was MOSTLY referring to trad shooters but some of this applies to any archer.
Not trying to one-up you but I'm also a long in the tooth bowhunter of 51 seasons.
#1Just because an arrow hits where it was aimed does not necessarily mean it's flying well. Ultra close shots are notorious for poor penetration due to the arrow not yet having fully recovered from paradox. Tuning a bow with the quiver on, or off, and then shooting it the opposite way in a hunting scenario CAN effect how straight an arrow is flying at 5 yards for example.
The term "window of tune" basically refers to how critical our bow shoots a given arrow. We want to be as close as possible to the center of a large window of tune. Doing so makes our rig more forgivable when shooting under less than ideal conditions...short draw, cold weather, plucking, torquing, high stress, etc. Tuning a bow in one arrangement/set up can produce a very critical bow when shot in a different arrangement.
#2 Needing a 2nd arrow twice in your career is enough of a reason for me to want that 2nd arrow close at hand. And while there may be bigger issues to worry about, I am adamant that the fewer potential issues the better.
#3 I don't care if you do or don't find a spot to hang your quiver. It's yet another detail to contend with. The fewer "moving parts" to our system, the fewer things that can go wrong. But I guess that's one big difference between trad shooters and tech shooters. Trad, by it's very nature is about simplifying as much as possible, while there seems to be no limit to how complex tech gear can be.
I hear the reasons on the flip side about how removing it can still work out, but it is not deniable that taking it off does add some extra degree of complication to the hunt.
Conversely, I've not heard any convincing reasons for any downsides to leaving it on.
Anecdotal story...
A few years ago I one-lunged a buck. I thought that it was a double lung upon impact but I was mistaken (as we often are with shot placement). I waited an hour and took up a good blood trail only to come upon the buck still alive, laying down and looking at me at 20 yards in heavy cover. There was no possible way to flank him in order to find an opening for a finishing shot. I had only one, softball-sized hole to shoot through in order to attempt a finishing shot, and that hole was roughly 6 yards from my bow. Now, if my bow was tuned to shoot with the quiver OFF, but in that high stress moment, with my quiver NOW ON THE BOW, could I have made that shot? IDK for certain. But I most certainly believe in Murphy's Law. I intend to keep things as simple as possible.
I prefer to take mine off in the tree and have it set to pull another arrow if needed as others have said. I generally practice with and without it but not purposefully, more because it depends on time and what range I’m at.
Side note, and this may not be true. But I’ve always thought the quiver on and having my bow between the deer and myself helps to break up my profile. That may or may not be true, but it makes me feel more hidden when I’m on the ground and a deer is looking right at me haha.
Side note, and this may not be true. But I’ve always thought the quiver on and having my bow between the deer and myself helps to break up my profile. That may or may not be true, but it makes me feel more hidden when I’m on the ground and a deer is looking right at me haha.
Fair enough. I pretty much agree with everything in your post. I did start out my hunting career shooting a Bear recurve but being a little younger than you I quickly switched to a compound shortly after they became popular which was just a few years later.