Rappelling setup, figure 8 or ATC, a few questions

[WaSouthPaw]

I can see how this works with a figure 8. But with an ATC I'm not sure since you are suppose to clip a carabiner through the wire loop and capture the loop of rope under the ATC. Using the method you show with an ATC would not allow you to clip into the loop and/or capture the rope. Maybe I'm thinking wrong, or missing something.

Yes, you are correct. With an ATC & carabiner you WILL HAVE metal on metal contact (and noise).
(Edit) and you have to use a 2nd biner with the ATC.

BTW, my rig is setup for a left handed tag line. Righties, need to flip it for a right hand control.

 

[Gregg D Vance]

duct tape=no noise - two years no clanging

 

[davecarp]

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Using my tether for illustration, I use a Figure 8 or an ATC belay device with a simple friction knot brake. I have both.
As far as I am concerned it is panic/bomb proof.
The brake loop is 12" and the loop to the figure 8 is 18".
What like about this setup is no metal to metal noise. I clip into my saddle's bridge. The brake is just below my chin.

Use a dyneema sewn runner to make ur extended belay and it'll be waaaay lighter and waaaay less bulky. Can also use a 50 or 60 cm beal jammy for this purpose too. Both will be rated for about 22 kN

 

[Brocky]

A more inline option

 

[WaSouthPaw]

I can see how this works with a figure 8. But with an ATC I'm not sure since you are suppose to clip a carabiner through the wire loop and capture the loop of rope under the ATC. Using the method you show with an ATC would not allow you to clip into the loop and/or capture the rope. Maybe I'm thinking wrong, or missing something.

Since a couple people have asked about the ATC method, yes you have to use a carabiner at the ATC.
Here is a side by side pic of the 2 method's I suggested.

 

[JDFrost]

Can the Beal Birdie be used on the bridge and tether at hunting height? Instead of a prusic or Kong Duck?

 

[tcmetrohunter]

Can the Beal Birdie be used on the bridge and tether at hunting height? Instead of a prusic or Kong Duck?

It can be used for that. I've done it and am comfortable using it when I'm going to rappel down after the hunt.

Should you use a backup brake like a prussic? Yeah probably but I haven't had it feel like I need it yet. I'm sure I'll probably change my mind on that when I switch to Oplux since it's smaller than my current rope.

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[tcmetrohunter]

It can be used for that. I've done it and am comfortable using it when I'm going to rappel down after the hunt.

Should you use a backup brake like a prussic? Yeah probably but I haven't had it feel like I need it yet. I'm sure I'll probably change my mind on that when I switch to Oplux since it's smaller than my current rope.

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I recently tried climbing with my Oplux and the beal birdie. I was previously using a thicker rope then most light weight guys would use and it worked great for rappelling and was okay for climbing when climbing with a preset rope.

After testing with Oplux, which I know it is not rated for btw, I will not be using it for climbing. It works quite well for rappelling but it releases it's bite when you unload the rope because the rope is so thin. If I decide to continue down the road of playing with one sticking I will most likely climb with Oplux and one of my ropeman 2's and then switch when ready to come down to an ATC with prussic all rated for 8mm.

Just my 2¢

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[phatkaw]

Here is a side by side pic of the 2 method's I suggested.

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I can see that you are a SouthPaw...