But.....do you ever speed when driving? If you drive I already have the answer. Why is one law given more importance than another?
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Rules For Thee Not For Me (Outlaw Thread)
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Ok how about using trail cameras in a state like Delaware who just completely banned them on public ?
And my thoughts on trespassing is if your trespassing then you deserve any punishment dealt to you by the court of law.
i hunt 100% public land and i still have zero time for any trespassers. If you feel you need to break a law thats pretty serious in order to kill a deer then you are probably hunting for the wrong reasons.
And my thoughts on trespassing is if your trespassing then you deserve any punishment dealt to you by the court of law.
i hunt 100% public land and i still have zero time for any trespassers. If you feel you need to break a law thats pretty serious in order to kill a deer then you are probably hunting for the wrong reasons.
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What’s the fine for using a trail camera where now prohibited?
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Pressing charges on someone for trying to retrieve an animal they legally shot off a property adjacent to yours is a huge wiener move. Now sure, if they are roaming around with a gun or setting up a tent for a weekend of camping it’s an entirely different situation. It doesn’t have to be black and white and it’s on us to show our neighbors grace for trying to do the right thing. Even if you said, “id prefer you ask next time” and gave them your contact that’s a lot better than freakin out about them being a violator.
On our farm we've got a super good rapport with all of our neighbors and a couple of them strongly disapprove of hunting. But they respect us and what we do so they are always willing to let us check their property. However, one is ultra PETA, vegan, no meat, you get the idea... They've threatened to throw the whole book at us if we ever stepped foot on their property from October-January. Thankfully the first and only time we asked the doe had doubled back onto our property.
At least you have a good place for the gut and bone pile.
At least you have a good place for the gut and bone pile.
I'm assuming the consequences may be similar to this
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Non hunting neighbors are great. You basically have an animal sanctuary with zero hunting pressure butting up to you land. Deer wander a lot. You just have to be judicious in how and when you hunt it (your property).
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I just don't see anybody making a compelling argument against retrieving a deer other than "it's illegal." So were escaping slaves, attic Jews, whiskey, and walking downtown in high heels on a Sunday once upon a time.
I'm down to be proven wrong or provided a playbook for accessing a property in accordance with your desires when the property is leased and subleased by a corporation.
If they are ultra PETA and vegan, they want the animal just not the meat. Giving them the bones and guts is just sharing the wildlife you both love.
I love this idea. Next time we find a dead head I'll make sure to bring it over once boiled so they can enjoy it and it doesn't go to waste! Sharing is caring.
Only problem is poaching… someone tried to shoot that buck twice in a one week span. It would’ve died from an infection from a broadhead that hit maybe an inch from a spinal cord. I think that trespassing is one we can all agree on.
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There doesn't need to be more argument than that. The concept of slippery slope applies just fine, either play by the rules, or don't. The playbook exists, get in contact with the owner and get permission, or don't cross the line and abandon the deer. No further playbook needed. You've said that you'd accept the consequences, so you already know that what you are doing is wrong, no further argument or proof is needed to being "proven wrong" either but I'll play and give you one anyway. Morally/ethically/legally/whatever, just because you've cherry picked a few things that used to be illegal (but society decided they shouldn't have been so society changed the rules and they no longer are) does not justify advocating for a lawbreaking activity. If you think the rules should be changed, work to change the rules instead of advocating for breaking them, simple as that. I get it that some times civil disobedience is required to enact change, however this doesn't seem to be the stance you're taking, more that you flaunt the rule to suit your own convenience/opinions about not letting the animal spoil being more important or because the property owners don't care about you so you don't have to care about them. I get it that you think the "damage done" is minimal due to the types of land you choose to trespass on and your opinions about minimal impact, but the fact remains that property boundaries are established to protect the rights of the owner, and you are advocating for eroding those rights, for your own convenience. I think I've repeated that point enough now. Furthermore, what happens if you get hurt on someone else's property, or cause unintentional damage or if others see you engaging in this activity and then copy you, spreading the problem, or give anti hunters more justification to advocate for OUR rights to be eroded etc. There's a lot of additional reasons why we as a society have agreed to follow the laws set forth by our government(s) whether we like them or not, and why advocating for trespassing is getting a lot of negative reactions, regardless of your personal justifications. The same can be said about speeding etc, so closing with the acknowledgement that yes, we are all (myself included) a bit hypocritical when it comes to following the rules, such as the vanishing limb disease joke I made or speeding when driving, (though perhaps there are a few on here that don't speed either) but that still doesn't change the facts of the matter or prove you right. We know speeding is illegal, and whether I do it or not, I'm not advocating for it or justifying it like it seems you are for trespassing.
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Legally speaking, that deer you’re all retrieving isn’t even yours until you touch it. Shooting it doesn’t count. It’s called capture. A landowner Probably could go for conversion and trespass. The conversion might not stick, but you’d have to fight your way out of it.
This is the outlaw thread and therefore where the outlaws come to socialize.......all u goody 2 shoes can just mosy on down the line to threads more up to ur standards
not sure yet it literally just passed the other day
Im sure it will be out in the new handbook released in july
I am going to paraphrase something I saw recently that I thought hit the nail on the head and I think has some measure of applicability to this discussion. The founders of this country leaned heavily on their Christian beliefs and morals as basis for defining and writing our laws. Now our leadership writes laws in an attempt to define our morals. I wont speak for @Nutterbuster but I firmly believe it is my moral responsibility to recover game I mortally wound, regardless of where that trail ends. Each of us has to decide if we are going to do what is right or what is to the letter of the law. We all know those 2 things do not always align. A person who would deny or prosecute another for doing what is right even though it might not align with the letter of the law has clearly demonstrated their character.
Never said what I was doing was wrong, much less immoral. I said it was illegal.
I wouldnt say I flaunt the rule, but more or less spot-on. As far as civil disobedience and making change and all that, I honestly don't consider the system broken and in need of fixing. Big landowners don't like anybody on their property. Some people who get on their property cause real problems, and small owners can realize actual damages. Laws exist to address that. But, happily enough, the law is unenforceable when it comes to the offense I'm committing because the landowner can't prove a violation much less damages.
What if, indeed.
Is it? I've been criticized much harder for saying much less on topics. I think the jury is still very much out on landowners rights vs hunters rights. Don't even get me started on corporations rights and animals rights.
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Here's the compelling argument I came to respect. Having a gun pointed in your face.