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I agree totally. Guys keep talking about the bad shot angle. Not true. I've killed a bunch of them at 25'. I never lost a single deer from a high shot angle. If anything that low exit hole helps w/ the blood trail. Eberhart advocates hunting high. He's killed a ton of bucks at 30'. He's probably lost count on how many deer he's killed. Look up Troy Pottenger. The guy is a kill'n machine on Idaho public land. I'm talking about 150-185" bucks. Kills them all at 25-30'. These guys have been around for alot of years. If they were losing deer because of the shot angle they would have lowered their set ups years ago. Also IMO they can't duck the arrow as well when your up high. Lot's of advantages to hunting high if you can. Sometimes you can't but wherever possible I'm at least 22' or higher.

same here, i've shot a bunch at 25 feet

as long as they are at least 5 yards away, then they're dead

the high lung entrance, low lung exit puts a longer travel path for the arrow in the animal and cuts more tissue

this somewhat offsets the disadvantages
 
Anyone here good at math? Specifically Pythagorean theorem? I just googled how to do it. Can anyone verify that a higher shot is always a longer shot? Don’t think it matters much for compound guys. Saw where it might benefit Trad guys to be a little lower as far as shot distance. Think it was a couple yards different in being 15 feet high and 30 feet. Also the with the angle it makes your shot area smaller so maybe trad guys wanna be a little lower? I know then it’s probably even harder to get a shot off. Not a trad guy, not gonna act like I have any idea about it either just mainly wanted to mention it so if someone wayyyy smarter than me which isn’t hard to do could verify? Or see if it’s even worth mentioning or thinking about


If this is dumb be easy on a fella. Online school my high school years and let’s just say I didn’t pay much attention since you could turn a class on and walk away. Then right into the deer woods.
Anyone here good at math? Specifically Pythagorean theorem? I just googled how to do it. Can anyone verify that a higher shot is always a longer shot? Don’t think it matters much for compound guys. Saw where it might benefit Trad guys to be a little lower as far as shot distance. Think it was a couple yards different in being 15 feet high and 30 feet. Also the with the angle it makes your shot area smaller so maybe trad guys wanna be a little lower? I know then it’s probably even harder to get a shot off. Not a trad guy, not gonna act like I have any idea about it either just mainly wanted to mention it so if someone wayyyy smarter than me which isn’t hard to do could verify? Or see if it’s even worth mentioning or thinking about


If this is dumb be easy on a fella. Online school my high school years and let’s just say I didn’t pay much attention since you could turn a class on and walk away. Then right into the deer woods.
U can Google "archery cut chart" and get an understanding of this. Another tool is an angle compensating rangefinder.
 
Anyone here good at math? Specifically Pythagorean theorem? I just googled how to do it. Can anyone verify that a higher shot is always a longer shot? Don’t think it matters much for compound guys. Saw where it might benefit Trad guys to be a little lower as far as shot distance. Think it was a couple yards different in being 15 feet high and 30 feet. Also the with the angle it makes your shot area smaller so maybe trad guys wanna be a little lower? I know then it’s probably even harder to get a shot off. Not a trad guy, not gonna act like I have any idea about it either just mainly wanted to mention it so if someone wayyyy smarter than me which isn’t hard to do could verify? Or see if it’s even worth mentioning or thinking about


If this is dumb be easy on a fella. Online school my high school years and let’s just say I didn’t pay much attention since you could turn a class on and walk away. Then right into the deer woods.

Don't necessarily get caught up with length of hypotenuse. Gravity is working against the the horizontal leg.
 
Anyone here good at math? Specifically Pythagorean theorem? I just googled how to do it. Can anyone verify that a higher shot is always a longer shot? Don’t think it matters much for compound guys. Saw where it might benefit Trad guys to be a little lower as far as shot distance. Think it was a couple yards different in being 15 feet high and 30 feet. Also the with the angle it makes your shot area smaller so maybe trad guys wanna be a little lower? I know then it’s probably even harder to get a shot off. Not a trad guy, not gonna act like I have any idea about it either just mainly wanted to mention it so if someone wayyyy smarter than me which isn’t hard to do could verify? Or see if it’s even worth mentioning or thinking about


If this is dumb be easy on a fella. Online school my high school years and let’s just say I didn’t pay much attention since you could turn a class on and walk away. Then right into the deer woods.
A and B is your vertical distance and the horizontal distance. A squared + B squared = C squared . the square root of C squared = C. C is your shot. And yes, C is ALWAYS longer than A or B. The reason it benifits trad guys to stay low is because generally their groups are larger. The vitals are larger the lower you go. With todays bows, we can hit ping ball from any angle so the size of the vitals is not nearly as important to compound archer as it is to Trad archer.
 
When I hunt higher in the tree, I range trees at eye level to give me accurate ground distances as my range finder doesnt have angle compensation.
 
30 to 40' is way too high in most circumstances, unless you're hunting a steep slope and expecting deer above you. I have a buddy that always hunted over 30', his dad too, and those two would lose deer that seemed to be lung hit just as often as not. Shot looked good, blood looks goo. No deer. It's hard to hit two lungs when you're shooting straight down.
 
I agree totally. Guys keep talking about the bad shot angle. Not true. I've killed a bunch of them at 25'. I never lost a single deer from a high shot angle. If anything that low exit hole helps w/ the blood trail. Eberhart advocates hunting high. He's killed a ton of bucks at 30'. He's probably lost count on how many deer he's killed. Look up Troy Pottenger. The guy is a kill'n machine on Idaho public land. I'm talking about 150-185" bucks. Kills them all at 25-30'. These guys have been around for alot of years. If they were losing deer because of the shot angle they would have lowered their set ups years ago. Also IMO they can't duck the arrow as well when your up high. Lot's of advantages to hunting high if you can. Sometimes you can't but wherever possible I'm at least 22' or higher.
I agree with everything you said at 30' the angle is a lot harder percentage wise. I watch jon Eberhart videos on practicing at 30 ft on his because of hunting pressure in Michigan. You have to be a above average shooter to kill constantly at that height. You would have put alot more practice shooting at that height. I don't believe the average bowhunter is going to do that those hunter's you mentioned are really core forsure. The average hunter doesn't put in the amount time practicing shooting, scouting, hunting Shooting at 30 ft diffently going take more time.
 
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If you practice with your bow throughout the year (and not just the week before the season opens) you should be able to put your arrow on the SPOT on the deer you are aiming at no matter how high or low you are on the tree. The deer itself may get "smaller" because of the steeper angle when you're up high but that shouldn't matter if you pick a SPOT on the deer to hit and not just aim at the deer. Aim small miss small.
 
Anyone here good at math? Specifically Pythagorean theorem? I just googled how to do it. Can anyone verify that a higher shot is always a longer shot? Don’t think it matters much for compound guys. Saw where it might benefit Trad guys to be a little lower as far as shot distance. Think it was a couple yards different in being 15 feet high and 30 feet. Also the with the angle it makes your shot area smaller so maybe trad guys wanna be a little lower? I know then it’s probably even harder to get a shot off. Not a trad guy, not gonna act like I have any idea about it either just mainly wanted to mention it so if someone wayyyy smarter than me which isn’t hard to do could verify? Or see if it’s even worth mentioning or thinking about


If this is dumb be easy on a fella. Online school my high school years and let’s just say I didn’t pay much attention since you could turn a class on and walk away. Then right into the deer woods.

imagine dropping a plumb bob from your rangefinder to the ground

this gives us a vertical line representing the direction of the force of gravity

now draw an imaginary line at a 90 degree angle to that plumb line to the deer's vitals you want to hit, this makes that line perpendicular to gravity and parallel to the Earth's surface (assuming Earth is flat over small distances)

this starts to setup a right triangle with your various measurements, with a right triangle having one angle a 90 degrees, and right triangles are easier to deal with mathematically

the horizontal distance from the plumb line to the deer is called distance X

the vertical distance from the your rangefinder to where the horizonal line hits the plumb line is distance Y, measured along that plumb line

your rangefinder measures from it straight to the deer which we'll call distance Z

X x X + Y x Y = Z x Z

instead of writing out squared or using the square symbol, i'm just multiplying each distance by itself which is the same thing

you always want to shoot the shot for horizontal distance X because that is the length over which gravity affects the arrow (however, this is a compromise that we have to live with, more later if anyone is interested)

if you know distances Z and Y, then you put them into this equation to get X

X = square root of (Z x Z - Y x Y)

Z is always greater than X and Y unless the deer is directly below you or at the same elevation

i'm writing out square root because i don't think i can put the symbol in here, and do what is in the parentheses first before taking the square root

now, what your rangefinder actually does is measure the distance Z and the angle between the line between your rangefinder and the deer and that plumb line

so, let's say that the deer is 10 feet from the base of the tree and you are 10 feet up in the air, the rangefinder will read 14.14 feet, but if you have on the angle compensation it will also show 10 feet as the horizontal distance

the angle for this example deer is 45 degrees from the vertical, and many rangefinders will also show that angle, some might show the distance from the horizontal (but that is just 90 degrees - the angle from the vertical)

what the rangefinder does is use trigonometry

the sine function takes an angle (from a right triangle) and outputs the length of the side opposite the angle divided by the length of the hypotenuse, here the opposite angle is the horizontal distance (10 feet) you want to shoot for and the hypotenuse is the straight line to the deer (14.14 feet)

so, the rangefinder measures 14.14 feet straight to the deer and the angle (45 degrees)

it then does something like this sine(45 degrees) x 14.14 feet = 10 feet

be careful though, if you use microsoft excel or some calculators, then they don't do angles in degrees but in radians and you have to convert your angles to get answers that make sense
 
If you practice with your bow throughout the year (and not just the week before the season opens) you should be able to put your arrow on the SPOT on the deer you are aiming at no matter how high or low you are on the tree. The deer itself may get "smaller" because of the steeper angle when you're up high but that shouldn't matter if you pick a SPOT on the deer to hit and not just aim at the deer. Aim small miss small.

hence why i prefer a reasonably fast bow and a pin sight
 
A and B is your vertical distance and the horizontal distance. A squared + B squared = C squared . the square root of C squared = C. C is your shot. And yes, C is ALWAYS longer than A or B. The reason it benifits trad guys to stay low is because generally their groups are larger. The vitals are larger the lower you go. With todays bows, we can hit ping ball from any angle so the size of the vitals is not nearly as important to compound archer as it is to Trad archer.

you want to shoot the horizontal distance, which in your example is B
 
Situational. Going to be different needs for every setup. Most of the time, I average around 15 feet. Sometimes I'll only use one stick and not be far off the ground at all. Other times need to go higher. Just depends.
 
I agree with everything you said at 30' the angle is a lot harder percentage wise. I watch jon Eberhart videos on practicing at 30 ft on his because of hunting pressure in Michigan. You have to be a above average shooter to kill constantly at that height. You would have put alot more practice shooting at that height. I don't believe the average bowhunter is going to do that those hunter's you mentioned are really core forsure. The average hunter doesn't put in the amount time practicing shooting, scouting, hunting Shooting at 30 ft diffently going take more time.
I don't consider myself an above average shot. Before the season, I try to shoot 20 arrows every morning before work or after it. I can consistantly hit a tennis ball out to 30 yds. At 40yds, I'm decent enough to feel confident to attempt the shot. With that being said, I've lost count on how many bowkills. The VAST majority of them have been 15 to 22 yds. At that distance, if I get a shot, that deer's in trouble. Height in the tree doesn't matter as far as shot angle. Bend at the waist, aim for the exit hole. Some guys aim low. I set up my bow to hit 2" low to accomodate . On really close shots it's different. I use my 30 yd pin for 5 yds and under.. I suggest practicing it before you attempt it.
 
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I don't consider myself an above average shot. Before the season, I try to shoot 20 arrows every morning before work or after it. I can consistantly hit a tennis ball out to 30 yds. At 40yds, I'm decent enough to feel confident to attempt the shot. With that being said, I've lost count on how many bowkills. The VAST majority of them have been 15 to 22 yds. At that distance, if I get a shot, that deer's in trouble. Height in the tree doesn't matter as far as shot angle. Bend at the waist, aim for the exit hole. Some guys aim low. I set up my bow to hit 2" to accomodate . On really close shots it's different. I use my 30 yd pin for 5 yds and under.. I suggest practicing it before you attempt it.

yep, every pin is dead on at 2 distances, one being at very short range

not knowing that costs people deer, everyone should practice at very close ranges just to see where their various pins hit
 
It's cost me a couple times. One time I got lucky though. I hit the Primos Can and a big5x 6 came directly to the base of tree on a string. He was starting to smell my bottom step. I knew he was going to bolt so I shot. About a 2yd shot and I totally choked. I grazed right down beside him. He jumped and ran out 20 yds, turned to look at what just scared him. Then he turned broadside. Big mistake! I look at his 142" mount every day.
 
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